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6 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Just because some random posts something on the internet that doesn’t make it true.

For all you know it could have been a postie that wrote it.  Even if it was a rail worker it doesn’t mean it’s true.

The nature of disputes is that both sides exaggerate their own grievance/position.  Actual facts are usually in short supply.

If you watched Mick Lynch mention about the T's&C's, pay plus the the pensions. The spokesman of network rail & the tories never denied it. Grant Shapps actually said with the pensionable age is at 62 they should put it up to 65....honestly 😟

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22 minutes ago, guinness said:

If you watched Mick Lynch mention about the T's&C's, pay plus the the pensions. The spokesman of network rail & the tories never denied it. Grant Shapps actually said with the pensionable age is at 62 they should put it up to 65....honestly 😟

Do you fancy trying your next post in English so I have a chance of understanding the point you’re trying to make?

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7 hours ago, Left Back said:

Do you fancy trying your next post in English so I have a chance of understanding the point you’re trying to make?

It's actually you are ....but I'll let you off😘😘

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2 hours ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

Lisa Nandy hitting the nail on the head as per usual.

How is this an election bid, Labour have had a miserable time in the last 2 elections in Scotland so can see why they want to avoid another one just now but I'm not sure anyone reads independence as an election bid.

 

And perhaps if Nanfy was serious about resolving the issues in the NHS she would be campaigning to get us back in the EU so we can attract staff from the EU again.

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1 minute ago, 101 said:

How is this an election bid, Labour have had a miserable time in the last 2 elections in Scotland so can see why they want to avoid another one just now but I'm not sure anyone reads independence as an election bid.

 

And perhaps if Nanfy was serious about resolving the issues in the NHS she would be campaigning to get us back in the EU so we can attract staff from the EU again.

It's an election bid because as Nicola said herself these are the terms she will fight the general election over if she fails at getting a S30.

If she was confident she'd get a section 30 or win the SC case she wouldn't already be setting out their stall for the next GE. She's understandably setting up her position to fight yet another GE after failing to have an actual referendum. At best it's contingency planning.

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17 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said:

It's an election bid because as Nicola said herself these are the terms she will fight the general election over if she fails at getting a S30.

If she was confident she'd get a section 30 or win the SC case she wouldn't already be setting out their stall for the next GE. She's understandably setting up her position to fight yet another GE after failing to have an actual referendum. At best it's contingency planning.

I think demonstrating all the options is essential, it cost the last independence vote and meant Brexit was so vague that it is impossible to implement.

When the Westminster politicians find themselves telling Scotland what they should be focusing on they have to also say how they can focus on it, are the Labour party suggesting that the £20m being spend over the next 5 years on Independence should be put into the NHS to clear the backlog? If they are serious about Scotland staying in the UK they can't just have sound bites but proper logical arguments that staying in a Tory Brexit Britain is better than Independence.

Perhaps if we weren't spending so much cash mitigating Tory policies our NHS would be supercharged.

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2 minutes ago, 101 said:

I think demonstrating all the options is essential, it cost the last independence vote and meant Brexit was so vague that it is impossible to implement.

When the Westminster politicians find themselves telling Scotland what they should be focusing on they have to also say how they can focus on it, are the Labour party suggesting that the £20m being spend over the next 5 years on Independence should be put into the NHS to clear the backlog? If they are serious about Scotland staying in the UK they can't just have sound bites but proper logical arguments that staying in a Tory Brexit Britain is better than Independence.

Perhaps if we weren't spending so much cash mitigating Tory policies our NHS would be supercharged.

Its actually worse than that. What we have here are unionist politicians in Westminster saying that they know better about what the Scottish electorate want than the majority of MSPs elected to the Scottish Parliament and/or the overwhelming majority of Scottish constituency MPs in the Commons.  Utterly bizarre thinking.  

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1 hour ago, Zern said:

This will be them finally admitting that they are no longer a left wing party, and haven't been for a long time.

Their new manifesto would probably get flagged for plagiarism* if ran through the software universities etc use for submissions.

 

*Not hard to guess which party they'd be copying many ideas from

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5 hours ago, Clown Job said:

It’s wild they give these people a national platform to spout this nonsense 

Lisa Nandy looks like a teenager held captive in a warehouse in that image. 

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Meanwhile, in Edinburgh, and giving a stunning indication of Labour's determination to oppose the Tories having any role in Scottish public life, 2 Edinburgh Labour Councillors have been suspended for opposing the deal to give Labour power. They opposed the deal because, well, erm... it handed Tories paid positions of authority in the new Council. 

BTW, so desperate were the voters in Edinburgh to have the Tories in positions of authority in their City that they reduced the number of Tory Councillors from 18 to 9 at the recent election.  That's the point of Labour... keeping Tories in power. 

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3 hours ago, scottsdad said:

Lisa Nandy looks like a teenager held captive in a warehouse in that image. 

I hope the hostage negotiators are really, really shit.

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6 hours ago, Zern said:

Try to keep up…

23 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Keir Starmer Confirms He Has Ditched All Of The Pledges In Labour's 2019 Manifesto

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/keir-starmer-ditches-last-labour-manifesto_uk_62badcbfe4b080fb670a2baa

 

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On 29/06/2022 at 20:18, Bad Wolf said:

I'm waiting with baited breath for the John McTernan wing of ScotLab to make an appearance. That's always good for a laugh.

I didn't realise he was writing for the Courier now. Some fall from grace 😂

Anyway, Angela Rayner appears to be living rent free in Dominic Raab's head. What a strange little man he is. 

 

 

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Keir Starmer will vow Labour will never deal with the Scottish National party and make it explicit his party would go into minority government rather than enter talks with nationalists, in a new effort to spike Conservative attacks on a “coalition of chaos”.

The Labour leader is expected to ramp up his pledge that the party would give no quarter to the SNP and would not grant an independence referendum, which will form part of his summer campaign.

 

That position would effectively dare the SNP to vote down a Labour Queen’s speech and bear responsibility for bringing down a Labour prime minister and enabling another Tory administration.

If there's so little between Labour & Tory policy the why not?

I'm not saying there's an easy solution for Labour to win back Scottish voters but a statement like todays means Ian Murray will again be their sole Scottish MP after the next GE - and I doubt it will secure many English votes.

Lesson No. 1 should be "You can't out-Tory the Tories".

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