renton Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Don't knows excluded? Think I saw the big shagger Blair McDougall stating how that's now zero pollsters showing Indy as favourable. There is no doubt that independence is trailing in the polls - without looking at it I'd guess the median was around a 4 point swing. I honestly don't think that's something that gives either side peace of mind in the wee hours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, renton said: It means that relatively speaking, he lacks the cut through in order for folk to form any definitive opinion, and you don't win elections where people are 'not fussed' about you. I disagree. I can't imagine many people having much to judge the 3rd party leader on anyway at this stage. If we were having an election I'm sure people would form opinions on him. Worrying for Sturgeon supporters imo. You'd have thought she'd have previously topped similar polls. Sarwar is certainly less divisive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, renton said: There is no doubt that independence is trailing in the polls - without looking at it I'd guess the median was around a 4 point swing. I honestly don't think that's something that gives either side peace of mind in the wee hours. Oh aye, I think we've been through this before but I enjoy posting the poll results as part of a discussion rather than some definitive sort of point. Certainly a lot of people have previously posted positive Indy polls as "proof" of some inevitable outcome but they don't seem to post here as much anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Don't knows excluded? Think I saw the big shagger Blair McDougall stating how that's now zero pollsters showing Indy as favourable. Can't be having Blair McDougall as a big shagger I'm afraid. He's lost just about every election he's been involved in. Admittedly he has one very big win, but it came at the cost of decimating the Labour Party in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: I disagree. I can't imagine many people having much to judge the 3rd party leader on anyway at this stage. If we were having an election I'm sure people would form opinions on him. Worrying for Sturgeon supporters imo. You'd have thought she'd have previously topped similar polls. Sarwar is certainly less divisive. You're first sentence is correct, it also contradicts your final sentence. Yes, undoubtedly an election will force people into having an opinion. By definition that will make him more 'divisve' than he currently is. Which is my point: No one knows enough about him to give a shit one way or the other, so his numbers are soft. Sturgeon on the other hand has undoubtedly seen a drop in her popularity, yet remains - almost in defiance of political gravity - in positive numbers depsite being Party Leader and FM through two Holyrood and two Westminster elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: Can't be having Blair McDougall as a big shagger I'm afraid. He's lost just about every election he's been involved in. Admittedly he has one very big win, but it came at the cost of decimating the Labour Party in Scotland. I didn't wanna say big batty blair so had to switch it up a little bit... He had the biggest of wins, Labour can recover, I don't think there'll be some massive SNP collapse but I do think if roUK Labour keeps up momentum then this could likely translate to more votes up here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, renton said: You're first sentence is correct, it also contradicts your final sentence. Yes, undoubtedly an election will force people into having an opinion. By definition that will make him more 'divisve' than he currently is. Which is my point: No one knows enough about him to give a shit one way or the other, so his numbers are soft. Sturgeon on the other hand has undoubtedly seen a drop in her popularity, yet remains - almost in defiance of political gravity - in positive numbers depsite being Party Leader and FM through two Holyrood and two Westminster elections. Fair enough, cheers for the explanation. I can only see her popularity plummeting further and Sarwars increasing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Laughing at Patrick Harvie's ratings to be honest. He's been running the Greens since 2008 and still 37% of people don't care about him. A total loser. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Fair enough, cheers for the explanation. I can only see her popularity plummeting further and Sarwars increasing. I know you'll probably tell me it's just your gut feeling - but I'd love ot undersatand more about why you think this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said: Why is it we are we wanting another lying Tory to win again? Nobody hates Labour more than the left. I've said this before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, renton said: I know you'll probably tell me it's just your gut feeling - but I'd love ot undersatand more about why you think this? Took some LSD, travelled to a different realm and was informed by Ghandi/Las Ketchup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: What an utter wet wipe. I can’t stand the clown but that’s about as reasonable an answer as any Scottish politician could have given to that question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Took some LSD, travelled to a different realm and was informed by Ghandi/Las Ketchup. Wouldn't trust anytrhing Ghandi says, boy loves a nuke after all: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, scottsdad said: Nobody hates Labour more than the left. I've said this before. Tbh absolutely f**k Owen Jones the nasty little turncoat did indeed go full LexitWanker as it suited the big JC4PM fallacy. But Keiths right of centre populist shite on immigration, tough on drugs, the EU etc. Is equally unforgivable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: Tbh absolutely f**k Owen Jones the nasty little turncoat did indeed go full LexitWanker as it suited the big JC4PM fallacy. But Keiths right of centre populist shite on immigration, tough on drugs, the EU etc. Is equally unforgivable. I get what you are saying, but Starmer has to stay some of that stuff to get elected. If he doesn't look tough on crime/patriotic etc then it's just 5 more years of the Tories. Look at Blair's 5 pledges in 1997. This is a mix of right wing stuff (crime, tax) and some very wishy-washy left wing stuff. This got him elected. Then he made big strides in reducing child poverty, getting Sure Start on the go, tax credits and the like. Of course he shat the bed with Iraq and it all went wrong in the end, but he did manage to do some good for the poorest in society - by sticking the detail of that stuff in the manifesto and not really talking about it. Sounding centrist. If he sounded too left-wing he'd lose and we'll get more from the team that brought you austerity and vomit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Of course he shat the bed with Iraq I always love it when people defend Blair and then just kinda casually throw in "Yeah, he did Iraq, but..." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, G51 said: I always love it when people defend Blair and then just kinda casually throw in "Yeah, he did Iraq, but..." People usually do the exact opposite. "He did Iraq so everything he did was shite". He did good and bad - I'm just making a point about how he won elections and used that to push through some radical changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, scottsdad said: People usually do the exact opposite. "He did Iraq so everything he did was shite". He did good and bad - I'm just making a point about how he won elections and used that to push through some radical changes. Sure, it just smacks of that dril drunk driving tweet. Also not sure I'd really describe any of Blair's changes as radical, but there you go. I suppose Jack Straw stripping benefits from refugees and giving them food vouchers in exchange was pretty radical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 minute ago, G51 said: Sure, it just smacks of that dril drunk driving tweet. Also not sure I'd really describe any of Blair's changes as radical, but there you go. I suppose Jack Straw stripping benefits from refugees and giving them food vouchers in exchange was pretty radical. At the time, many of the things he did were radical. The minimum wage. Writing off the debt of the world's poorest countries. Devolution to Scotland and Wales. Sure Start centres. Winter fuel payments. Scrapping Section 28. Introducing tax credits. Banning fox hunting. Banning handgun ownership. Free TV licenses for the over 75s. Doubled the overseas aid budget. That's off the top of my head. There are stats out there about how many children and pensioners were taken out of poverty under Blair (much of which has been reversed since 2010). How many extra nurses/teachers/policemen there were. How much more he spent on the NHS. Now - if he has put these all as his main pledges, your ordinary middle England voter would run a mile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 33 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Nobody hates Labour more than the left. I've said this before. The feeling is more than mutual though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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