williemillersmoustache Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Ulsterisation of Scottish politics has already happened. People are too entrenched in their positions on Scottish independence- hence relatively small movements in independence polling since 2014. I don't like the term because it implicitly attempts to devalue the results of Scottish elections. I do agree there are certainly entrenched views on both sides but "too" entrenched? Not for me. If you believe that the Holyrood system produces at least a relatively proportional result, there is an undeniable majority for Yes in parliament now which would show that there is movement. 15 minutes ago, Antlion said: It probably doesn’t help that ultra UK nationalists eagerly adopted the term “unionist” from across the Irish Sea, and at least one is constantly going on about “partitioning”. Then again, I suspect Ulsterisation suits those types down to the ground. 100% this. It suits a certain element of unionism to pick and choose themes and policies from NI to emphasise the existential threat they feel they are facing, undermine the Yes cause and portray us as extremists. But curiously they're less keen on the Stormont definition of a generation or the right to hold a border poll should they elect a government to do so. Edited October 29, 2021 by williemillersmoustache 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) **** *** *** **** Edit: This was in response to a certain bigot's attempt to slither back onto the forum. Good riddance. Edited October 30, 2021 by lichtgilphead Stormzy has been emptied again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: **** *** *** **** Fun yet hopelessness continuing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Keith Starmzy said: After recently watching the Blair and Brown New Labour documentary on Iplayer I must say I think the idea that Labour can't win again is a bit silly and cynical... With some charismatic, persuasive and handsome leader I think we can do it. The cyclical nature of politics had Blair dragging Labour to the centre with great success and then a decade later Cameron winning by dragging the Tories to the centre with great success. After a decade of Tory rule I think the public would be quite happy to elect a more centre left approach Labour government as long as they were able to revamp and move to the centre on the silly culture war issues like moving to a pro defending statues stance and appointing J.K Rowling as an ambassador for women's rights. The budget was evident that the Tories are willing to take Labour ground when it comes to economics as they're probably at least partly conscious that a decade of austerity wasn't exactly fun for the voting public... therefore a party that has similar economic views whilst simultaneously embracing the "pro Brexit patriotic" element of the electorate and also condemning the Tories for their unavoidable sleeze and corruption would do well... ...Then in true Trojan horse fashion the true progressive change we've all wanted to come to fruition may occur even if only on a moderate level. Scotland has a major part to play in this... if we all embrace the beautiful idea that there's more that brings us closer together than there are things that divide us then we can aspire to change things for everyone rather than running off on some ideologically led fantastical Indy Scotland vision. I hope you guys will join me in my ambition of supporting a progressive Labour government for the betterment of our lovely British populace. We just need a forensic approach. Disappointing lack of any reference to the fact that unionists and nationalists, who are in need of such interventions, are given the same type of blood products. 2/10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Sophia talking like he's Robert Peston with the big scoop from a man who's no longer even a Labour MP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Sophia talking like he's Robert Peston with the big scoop from a man who's no longer even a Labour MP. My word, your persistent antipathy towards me has driven you to post a most puzzling series of words that completely miss my light hearted point. Did I mention Corbyn is a current Labour MP? Would Gordon Brown remain a labour member who is very serious and senior? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 My word, your persistent antipathy towards me has driven you to post a most puzzling series of words that completely miss my light hearted point. Did I mention Corbyn is a current Labour MP? Would Gordon Brown remain a labour member who is very serious and senior?I don’t have antipathy towards you I find your overly verbose fantasy character posting to be really entertaining 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, NotThePars said: I don’t have antipathy towards you I find your overly verbose fantasy character posting to be really entertaining and this offer of federalism... Is it serious? Is it likely? When do you think the House of Lords will cease to exist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 and this offer of federalism... Is it serious? Is it likely? When do you think the House of Lords will cease to exist?I think Corbyn is totally sincere in what he says and also think he has f**k all influence on the future trajectory of the current Labour Party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: I think Corbyn is totally sincere in what he says and also think he has f**k all influence on the future trajectory of the current Labour Party So you're content to have a go at me but not engage with a concise question. Aye, ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I'm a big fan of this podcast anyway and would highly recommend it but, Joyce McMillan eviscerating Starmer and Labour around 34 minutes in this week is particularly pleasing. https://www.thebiglight.com/talkmedia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zern Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Sir Starmer has a gift for making himself irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 With Labour struggling to lay a glove on the Tories at Westminster, as far as I can work out the only purpose that the Labour Party has is to stop Ian Murray MP having to look for a job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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williemillersmoustache Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 "We need to listen more to Scotland" And then go right on ignoring them after we've done all that listening. Lovely to see the "Labour can't win without Scotland" shite just rolled out as if its solid gold truth, so they can blame us for England electing the tories again. At some point it might be nice to have someone explain to Keith and to journalists in general that it is not Scotland's responsibility, nor is it in our interest to deliver England a Labour government it didn't vote for and which demonstrably couldn't give less of a f**k about what we might want. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I used to find Kay Burley intensely irritating, but more and more now she's become one of the few doing a decent job of holding politicians to account. This morning, interviewing Labour MP, Wes Streeting who was, naturally extolling the virtues of Keir Starmer as Labour leader, she put it to him that although BoJo has been sacked from a previous job for lying, has accepted freebie holidays, has been found guilty of trying to protect his mates, has been accused of presiding over a sleaze ridden government, etc, etc, the list is endless, and yet he's still more popular than your leader? Ouch! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Brown ruined his reptuation with Iraq but at least he shows it's possible to have leaders who aren't money grabbing scum like Blair, Cameron or Obama. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 09:48, Detournement said: Brown ruined his reptuation with Iraq but at least he shows it's possible to have leaders who aren't money grabbing scum like Blair, Cameron or Obama. He’s still a multimillionaire. The real face of socialism. Everyone in the gutter while he can afford to give away millions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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