HTG Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Antlion said: The idea seems to be never to even get to the stage of having to make a case for the union: to instead just flatly claim that all nationalism (except British nationalism, which is so good it deserves to be known as something else) is bad full stop. No need to prove the UK works for anyone - opposing it is nationalism and that’s. Just. Bad. Aye, every country in the world is riddled with nationalist scum. Fucking arseholes - electing governments they've voted for and not coming out of international agreements because another country voted for. What are they thinking about? Starmer's a p***k. Edited September 29, 2021 by HTG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I won't be voting for him. Scotland won't vote for him. The red wall won't vote for him. The shires won't vote for him. Another term for the Tories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Labour can't win an election. They have to hope that the Tories manage to lose. That doesn't appear likely given that no matter what the c***s do, no matter how bad things get, folk still seem happy to vote for them. Edited September 30, 2021 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Caught a bit of Starmer on the BBC breakfast this morning. He made it half way in to the first sentence of his first answer to a question to mention that his dad had been a toolmaker and his mum a nurse. Getting into Jeremy Hunt's "entrepreneur" realm now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Caught a bit of Starmer on the BBC breakfast this morning. He made it half way in to the first sentence of his first answer to a question to mention that his dad had been a toolmaker and his mum a nurse. Getting into Jeremy Hunt's "entrepreneur" realm now. Did his Dad not own his own firm, the Oxted Tool Company? Googled it a bit but it's not clear, he might just have been self employed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Suspect Device Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Caught a bit of Starmer on the BBC breakfast this morning. He made it half way in to the first sentence of his first answer to a question to mention that his dad had been a toolmaker and his mum a nurse. Getting into Jeremy Hunt's "entrepreneur" realm now. The obvious answer to that is we can see your Dad was a toolmaker with one look at you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Suspect Device said: The obvious answer to that is we can see your Dad was a toolmaker with one look at you. Quote Sir Keir Starmer joked that Boris Johnson's father was a "tool maker" during his speech at Labour party conference. Speaking about his "two rocks" in life - family and work - the Labour leader told the crowd that was not from a privileged background before taking a jibe at the prime minister. "My dad was a toolmaker, although in a way, so was Boris Johnson’s," he said. While his comment on the PM earned applause from the audience, Mr Starmer also faced heckles as he made his opening remarks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 11 hours ago, Suspect Device said: Labour can't win an election. They have to hope that the Tories manage to lose. That doesn't appear likely given that no matter what the c***s do, no matter how bad things get, folk still seem happy to vote for them. You are totally correct and that is depressing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Starmer out of touch with public opinion again. Who’d have thunk it? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/15-minimum-wage-starmer-labour-b1930057.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 There's an argument that the Labour landslide in 1997 was, in England at least, less about people voting for them and more that virtually everybody was heart sick of the disgusting Tories. The Conservatives are Teflon now. Incompetence, corruption, shagging anything that moves...these things no longer affect their electability. I shudder to think how bad things will have to get before they lose votes, but it's a long way off yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 There's an argument that the Labour landslide in 1997 was, in England at least, less about people voting for them and more that virtually everybody was heart sick of the disgusting Tories. The Conservatives are Teflon now. Incompetence, corruption, shagging anything that moves...these things no longer affect their electability. I shudder to think how bad things will have to get before they lose votes, but it's a long way off yet.Basically until they have to start pissing off pensioners with inheritances to leave. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: Basically until they have to start pissing off pensioners with inheritances to leave. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk They'll get away with pushing that a wee bit too. Every pensioner knows that Labour are coming for their savings, what with all of their socialisms 'n' that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Was there any seats at last UK election that Labour came close to winning? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: Was there any seats at last UK election that Labour came close to winning? Be fair. They won a handful of seats from...erm...sitting former Labour MPs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, BFTD said: Be fair. They won a handful of seats from...erm...sitting former Labour MPs. sorry I meant in Scotland where they only won 1. I was just thinking if there was any seats they came close to winning where if they did somehow against all odds become slightly more popular again they might win 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: sorry I meant in Scotland where they only won 1. I was just thinking if there was any seats they came close to winning where if they did somehow against all odds become slightly more popular again they might win Just had a quick scan. They were behind by about 5,000 votes in a lot of seats around Glasgow/Lanarkshire, some a bit closer. East Lothian by about 4,000. Kirkcaldy would be a toss-up. Even more remarkable than the number of seats they've shed in the past twenty years is the sheer volume of votes they've lost. They're nowhere near contention in the majority of Scotland, picking up only a fifth or a quarter that the winning candidate had in the majority of areas. They've essentially swapped places with the SNP, then dropped a bit more support for good measure. I know politics is cyclical and all that, but it's hard to see where the votes are coming from in the near future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, BFTD said: Just had a quick scan. They were behind by about 5,000 votes in a lot of seats around Glasgow/Lanarkshire, some a bit closer. East Lothian by about 4,000. Kirkcaldy would be a toss-up. Even more remarkable than the number of seats they've shed in the past twenty years is the sheer volume of votes they've lost. They're nowhere near contention in the majority of Scotland, picking up only a fifth or a quarter that the winning candidate had in the majority of areas. They've essentially swapped places with the SNP, then dropped a bit more support for good measure. I know politics is cyclical and all that, but it's hard to see where the votes are coming from in the near future. Yeah at this moment in time its deosnt look likely at all, things appear to have changed too much 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 7 hours ago, BigDoddyKane said: Was there any seats at last UK election that Labour came close to winning? There was a load of seats with thin majorities in 2017 that Labour failed to take 2 years later and haemorrhaged votes in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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