NotThePars Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 56 minutes ago, Highland Capital said: The Scottish Labour MEP David Martin became quite independence neutral in the last few years and I assume Henry McLeish is still a party member (will he ever finally come out for Yes?!). I would not be surprised if someone like Dugdale or Findlay came out in favour of independence I don't think Findlay will. He's really critical of his colleagues at Holyrood so I doubt he thinks there's enough radicalism or independent spirt for a leftward drive in an indy Scotland. I imagine part of the reason he's bowing out anaw is because he doesn't see the point of working inside either of the parliaments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 customary post to say if Scottish Labour supported Scotland's right to decide they'd be well on the way to my vote. We need a better choice or at least another social demoratic/socialist party that's not hung up in daft factions. Age old problems though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 13 hours ago, tirso said: customary post to say if Scottish Labour supported Scotland's right to decide they'd be well on the way to my vote. We need a better choice or at least another social demoratic/socialist party that's not hung up in daft factions. Age old problems though I believe we will get a new left of centre( socialist?) part once we get independence. Labour in Scotland ( and the UK) are withering away painfully on the vine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just watched Angela Rayner on Breakfast show refusing to answer the question. She, rightly, criticised the Tory offer of 1% to Nurses but repeatedly waffled and refused to answer when asked what Labour would offer but instead kept up her rant about the Tory Offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-too-busy-infighting-connect-23667965 Quote Starmer said: “Yet, in Scotland, the SNP have shown they’re too busy fighting among themselves to fight for the Scottish people” Said without a hint of self awareness, apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-too-busy-infighting-connect-23667965 Said without a hint of self awareness, apparently. Aye, because they only passed a budget for Scotland this week with the backing of the Greens and Lib Dems. There is a very obvious point that Labour will NEVER sign up to any SNP proposals but will on occasion sign up to TORY proposals. So, his definition of fighting for the Scottish people is somewhat coloured. In short, it's bollocks, he's a cock and his party is starting a purge of people who are soft on Indy. That'll work out well for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Labour are quite content being in opposition. They don't want any responsibility and don't have an original thought between the lot of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Even the studiously neutral Sienna Rodgers is turning on Keir. What a disaster that man is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Even the studiously neutral Sienna Rodgers is turning on Keir. What a disaster that man is. No idea who she is but her attack there seems unfair and self absorbed. Starmer is a squeaky disappointment though. No doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 10/03/2021 at 16:02, Highland Capital said: Didn't Blair McDougall expect Henry McLeish to endorse Yes at one point? Seem to remember something like that a couple of months before the vote but in the end he never did. McLeish was fairly apathetic about the whole thing and any comment positivity on anything no relatd, he kept on giving a very soft no vibe and tearing into Westminster. McDougall just gave some ridiculously unsubtle hints that he heard McLeish was in support of 'Yes' so the press again questioned him on it and he reiterated his position of being opposed to independence. This then solidified him into the no campaign publicly and printed the headlines he wanted which helped in a pretty weak news cycle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, tirso said: No idea who she is but her attack there seems unfair and self absorbed. Starmer is a squeaky disappointment though. No doubt. She's the editor for Labour List and has spent the last year pretty much just reporting directly on Labour news. If even she's attacking Kier's messaging then he's not doing well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Elric said: Just watched Angela Rayner on Breakfast show refusing to answer the question. She, rightly, criticised the Tory offer of 1% to Nurses but repeatedly waffled and refused to answer when asked what Labour would offer but instead kept up her rant about the Tory Offer. That's because Labours proposal is something equally pathetic like 2.1%. Basically, it's exactly what the Tory voters in the focus groups say it should be and not a penny more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, G51 said: That's because Labours proposal is something equally pathetic like 2.1%. Basically, it's exactly what the Tory voters in the focus groups say it should be and not a penny more. It's even more dumb because you can expect the Tories to cave on this with a higher amount than Labour offered and once again the Tories win the day. Cons 43% (+5) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Jez just keeps on being right about everything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 That's because Labours proposal is something equally pathetic like 2.1%. Basically, it's exactly what the Tory voters in the focus groups say it should be and not a penny more.Except Labour don't have a proposal - the 2.1% is what the Tories had already promised and budgeted for. Labour have said that is the minimum they should get, and a starting point for negotiation - which I think is fair. Did you expect Rayner to deliver an entire budget on the hoof? Her party would have vastly different spending priorities to the Tories, so spending on Public Sector wages could be paid for by cutting back on nonsense like HS2, for example. Oh, sorry, that would be the Labour party before she helped stab Corbyn in the back - you know, the one that offered a genuine alternative to the cűnts in power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 It’s actually quite amusing to watch SLAB implode from the party that dominated Scotland for decades. They’ve continually doubled down on “Union at all costs” when unlike the Tories their membership are split on independence. Every election they get destroyed as the hardcore Unionists vote goes to the Tories while they keep pushing their own Yes voters or open to Yes voters away. They honestly seem to believe that if they help block IndyRef2 everyone will just forget about independence and everything will go back to how it was with Labour ruling Scotland. Membership around 16,000 they probably used to get that in Glasgow alone. With Sarwar and Starmer now calling the shots while wrapped in Union Jacks I just can’t see anyway they’ll ever recover. They’re so out of touch it’s shocking. Popcorn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 17 hours ago, NotThePars said: It's even more dumb because you can expect the Tories to cave on this with a higher amount than Labour offered and once again the Tories win the day. Cons 43% (+5) excuse me how did you know this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, G51 said: excuse me how did you know this Where's that guy's right hand? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, G51 said: excuse me how did you know this Lathe of Heaven, bro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Idris Elba - NHS sex pest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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