What is the point of Labour ?

[harry94]

Just now, G51 said:

You may be forgetting the context, but this was the second round of indicative votes. No option had presented itself as a majority of Parliament up until that point. Had that vote passed, then the momentum towards a Customs Union would have been almost unstoppable for May's government, given that Labour were strongly in favour of it.

Of course, with the result of a 52-48 vote, there isn't a clear mandate in practice. What is ultimately required is some kind of creative compromise. The Customs Union or the Norway model would have provided this compromise, but the professional classes that run CHUK/Lib Dems could not accept this, and the SNP had their own motivations for rejecting all options other than Remain (though don't doubt for a second that a huge chunk of SNP strategy is based on appealing to the professional and managerial classes - these people form the bulk of the parliamentarians after all).

May's government proposed a CU, it was in their political deceleration document.  Being within the same CU is a different story though. Parliament would have also needed to explicitly vote on directing the gov to relax their red lines to the extent of voting on FoM etc and they weren't willing to do that.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Just watched James Kelly MSP being interviewed on the news.
The political equivalent of the final, breathy rattle from a corpse.

Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

Kelly is the epitome of everything that is wrong about SLab

[Academically Deficient]

23 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

 

 

Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic comes to mind.

Kelly is the epitome of everything that is wrong about SLab

 

You are totally correct. 

If you were to ask a dramatist or cartoonist to come up with a character to personify SLab, he would be it.

Do you think he knows it? I mean, he must have an inkling. We all have moments of self-doubt when we think "maybe I'm not too good at this, think I should try something else". 

 

[speckled tangerine]

35 minutes ago, Academically Deficient said:

You are totally correct. 

If you were to ask a dramatist or cartoonist to come up with a character to personify SLab, he would be it.

Do you think he knows it? I mean, he must have an inkling. We all have moments of self-doubt when we think "maybe I'm not too good at this, think I should try something else". 

 

In the 80s he would have been an MP. Probably in some shadow cabinet role. 

Just let that sink in.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Ha.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

Genuinely dislike that c**t more than some tories tbh.

[NotThePars]

Genuinely dislike that c**t more than some tories tbh.

He’s running the party in the ground and will be left with virtually nothing when it does so I don’t mind him.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

3 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Ha.

He literally shat it at the last minute. Here he is doing the rehersal presser.

2 hours ago, NotThePars said:

He’s running the party in the ground and will be left with virtually nothing when it does so I don’t mind him.

 

Please reconsider.

Remember, he's also a jambo.

[NotThePars]

Just now, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

He literally shat it at the last minute. Here he is doing the rehersal presser.

Please reconsider.

Remember, he's also a jambo.

Remembering when Granny Danger and JLD (there were definitely others) were taking Umunna's criticisms of Corbyn at face value and smiling serenely.

[Miguel Sanchez]

2 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

He literally shat it at the last minute. Here he is doing the rehersal presser.

Please reconsider.

Remember, he's also a jambo.

Every person seated around him is wearing a facial expression I've once had when thinking about Ian Murray.

[Academically Deficient]

28 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Every person seated around him is wearing a facial expression I've once had when thinking about Ian Murray.

At least 2 of them appear to be contemplating suicide.

One is wondering if a jury of their peers would actually convict them.

Another is in charge of IT services at Dundee FC.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Academically Deficient
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[Florentine_Pogen]

2 hours ago, Academically Deficient said:

At least 2 of them appear to be contemplating suicide.

One is wondering if a jury of their peers would actually convict them.

Another is in charge of IT services at Dundee FC.

I just thought that photo was taken at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses and then I realised "f**k - that's my MP".

[vikingTON]

Scottish Labour are currently producing an even worse 'coup' attempt than that Turkish mob who rose up against Erdogan and couldn't even hold onto an Istanbul bridge. 

[btb]

The fear of further "Branch Office" accusations is obviously all that is keeping Keir Starmer from delivering the coup de grace to RL - but Rachel Reeves wouldn't have spoken on the issue without clearance from above.

[Ivo den Bieman]

wee Dicky can "fight on all" he wants but pretty clear they are determined to force him out.

At present it seems the extent of his command of the party is confined to whichever room he happens to be sitting in.

A question of when he goes rather than if, for all his fighting talk. A protracted and nasty civil war, featuring trenches, barbed wire and pointless sacrifices in 'Scottish" Labour, would be such a pity.

[NotThePars]

One of the biggest failings of the Labour Left was not emphasising how much banter Corbyn is capable of

[welshbairn]

 

[Wee Willie]

 

On 02/09/2020 at 12:03, O'Kelly Isley III said:

On 02/09/2020 at 09:04, invergowrie arab said:

What's obvious from this thread and Twitter is how many SNP supporters clearly fear Jackie Baillie

Jackie stays near to me. She is a nice personable person who in fairness has represented this community fairly well on bread and butter issues. However she is not my idea of anyone who should be in a position of influence in the Labour Party, given her unwavering support for the MOD installations (presumably for electoral gain as opposed to conviction). Fear isn't a reaction I would expect in SNP ranks.

Methinks he is joshin' wi' ye

[Wee Willie]

This was my reply to a recent article in a national newspaper regarding how far Scottish Labour have fallen

“They have fallen a long way from Donald Dewar, Labour’s first First Minister, who won power in the 1999 Scottish elections…Dewar was a diffident leader but is the nearest the Scottish party has ever come under devolution to having someone lead them who made an impact, had resonance with the public, and a way of communicating with voters beyond the party tribe”…Come off it and stop telling porkies. Is this is the same Donald Dewar, who, in 1999, connived with Tony Blair to deprive Scotland of 6000 square miles of Scottish seas.

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Former Ambassador reveals Labour role in annexation of Scottish waters Sep 8, 2014

Craig Murray, who is the UK’s former Ambassador to Uzbekistan, has explained how in 1999 the then Labour Government secretly reclassified 6000 square miles of Scottish sea as English waters. The redrawing of the maritime border meant several Scottish oil fields, including the Argyll field and six others, were now officially designated English.  The move meant that oil and gas revenue, which would have previously been considered Scottish, was deemed to have been generated south of the border…. He added: “That the stealing of Scottish waters was done by Tony Blair and Donald Dewar … just goes to show that you cannot ever believe that the Labour party has Scotland’s interests at heart.”

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“(Scottish Labour’s) long decline has left a gap in our politics to the centre-left of the SNP which the Greens are unable to fill: speaking to centre-left voters on public services, poverty, inequality, class and power. That is the terrain that a future Labour leadership after Richard Leonard has to embrace”

To do that then Scottish Labour will have to renounce nuclear weapons in Scottish waters and Scotland having to pay a percentage of expensive English projects and refusal to fill the HoL with Labour MPs. Guid luck with getting them to do that.

It is obvious to anyone that in Scotland the Tory & Labour parties are two cheeks of the same arse. They have the same aims for Scotland – no Independence referendum and Trident to stay at Faslane.  There has to be a completely new socialist party in Scotland with no ties to the present labour party. If that happens then post independence I will vote for them but that is after Independence so until then it is the SNP for me.

Edited September 5, 2020 by Wee Willie

[Dunning1874]

I'm really enjoying how much they're eating themselves alive this time. Findlay lashing out at all and sundry with no fucks given is a laugh.