NotThePars Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Labour are going to get hammered next year so good call from the roaster wing to try and take the reins well in advance of it and ensure you'll have even less people willing to campaign for you Edited September 2, 2020 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Hahaha. Sad that he's leaving tbh, Baillie fucking hates him as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 What's obvious from this thread and Twitter is how many SNP supporters clearly fear Jackie BaillieJackie stays near to me. She is a nice personable person who in fairness has represented this community fairly well on bread and butter issues. However she is not my idea of anyone who should be in a position of influence in the Labour Party, given her unwavering support for the MOD installations (presumably for electoral gain as opposed to conviction). Fear isn't a reaction I would expect in SNP ranks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) NS clearly thinks Leonard is a dead man walking from her response to him at FMQs. Meanwhile RD got a proper slapdown from NS about trying to take the highground on electoral accountability whilst preparing to move to the HoL. ********************* Down at Westminster Mr. Mumbles must be longing for the return of his backbenchers to obscure the weakness of his performances in contrast to Keir Starmer. Got a bit personal today with BJ saying Starmer serving in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet marked him out as an IRA supporter - I expect we'll hear that one again! Edited September 2, 2020 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Corbyns policies polled incredibly well in 2019. It's been well established that the reason Labour took a hammering in December was because of Brexit - it's what every study tells us. Backing Remain was a killer blow. For Starmer to decide to move away from those policies tells you everything you need to know about him. And to think that he campaigned for leader as a "socialist" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 They backed a second referendum with the vast majority of MPs up to McDonnell saying they would back Remain. David Lammy (voted for the Iraq War) stood on stage and said Brexiteers were worse than Nazis. Lord Andrew Adonis told voters who wanted to leave the EU not to vote Labour. Intentional sabotage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Labour policy on Brexit was fairly coherent for a while, with only the 'smart and sensible' columnists pretending not to understand it. It turned into a shitshow however, with a large helping/sabotaging hand from the melts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 hours ago, G51 said: Corbyns policies polled incredibly well in 2019. It's been well established that the reason Labour took a hammering in December was because of Brexit - it's what every study tells us. Backing Remain was a killer blow. You can have all the popular individual policies you like, but if voters don't trust you to deliver them, or think they can't feasibly be delivered, you're not going to get very far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 History will not be kind to the People's Vote melts. If we end up with No Deal they will have been the single biggest factor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, MixuFruit said: Agree they're going to be viewed as twats but not sure I follow on 2nd point. They completely sabotaged any attempt to create a form of Brexit which could pass the house. After May survived the 1922 No Confidence vote and had immunity from the ERG for 12 months the time should have been spent sorting out a customs union. That couldn't happen because Mandelson, Campbell et al rallied too many MPs into a position where they would accept nothing less than a second referendum which was impossible to achieve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Academically Deficient Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Just watched James Kelly MSP being interviewed on the news. The political equivalent of the final, breathy rattle from a corpse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Detournement said: They completely sabotaged any attempt to create a form of Brexit which could pass the house. After May survived the 1922 No Confidence vote and had immunity from the ERG for 12 months the time should have been spent sorting out a customs union. That couldn't happen because Mandelson, Campbell et al rallied too many MPs into a position where they would accept nothing less than a second referendum which was impossible to achieve. A Customs Union was three votes shy of passing. But the TIG / Lib Dem / SNP MP's ensured it didn't pass. The ultra-Remainers couldn't stomach it. Thus, we ended up with what we have today. Edited September 2, 2020 by G51 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 The SNP scuppering that made sense from a long-term point of view. Ignoring the obviously self-serving moronic justifications for TIG and Lib Dem MPs to do it I can only surmise that they have an unyielding commitment to patter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, Academically Deficient said: Just watched James Kelly MSP being interviewed on the news. The political equivalent of the final, breathy rattle from a corpse. Never trust a man who's top lip is superglued to his teeth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Leonard is fundamentally useless, so it's pretty telling about the state of Scottish Labour that there isn't an obviously better alternative waiting in the wings. Someone like Baillie would no doubt appease the Alliance For Unity sorts, but would just further hammer home their status as an irrelevant, ultra-Unionist rump. Edited September 2, 2020 by DrewDon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Academically Deficient Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Never trust a man who's top lip is superglued to his teeth He's one of my local list MSPs. See him out jogging occasionally. On the road. Facing the wrong way. Oblivious to the traffic behind him. I'm not making a convoluted metaphor about Labour btw, it just annoys me that he does this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 20 hours ago, G51 said: A Customs Union was three votes shy of passing. But the TIG / Lib Dem / SNP MP's ensured it didn't pass. The ultra-Remainers couldn't stomach it. Thus, we ended up with what we have today. The vote was meaningless. If it passed, it would have resolved nothing. All it meant was that the UK gov had to put in place something in the future relationship stage (i.e. after Brexit itself) that they interpreted to fit the meaning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, harry94 said: The vote was meaningless. If it passed, it would have resolved nothing. All it meant was that the UK gov had to put in place something in the future relationship stage (i.e. after Brexit itself) that they interpreted to fit the meaning. You may be forgetting the context, but this was the second round of indicative votes. No option had presented itself as a majority of Parliament up until that point. Had that vote passed, then the momentum towards a Customs Union would have been almost unstoppable for May's government, given that Labour were strongly in favour of it. Of course, with the result of a 52-48 vote, there isn't a clear mandate in practice. What is ultimately required is some kind of creative compromise. The Customs Union or the Norway model would have provided this compromise, but the professional classes that run CHUK/Lib Dems could not accept this, and the SNP had their own motivations for rejecting all options other than Remain (though don't doubt for a second that a huge chunk of SNP strategy is based on appealing to the professional and managerial classes - these people form the bulk of the parliamentarians after all). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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