Detournement Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think they can just decide to support a referendum. It would need to be done through the party and conference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The rate that Labour move on major policies I expect them to come out in favour of independence 11 years after we've gained it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think they can just decide to support a referendum. It would need to be done through the party and conference. They're a pretty stupid bunch of people tbh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, Detournement said: I don't think they can just decide to support a referendum. It would need to be done through the party and conference. They're a pretty stupid bunch of people tbh Labour in Scotland hate the SNP more than anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Reading reports from the PLP meeting. Labour MPs have every right to be upset with Corbyn’s incompetence but what’s also emerging is the face of the right wing arseholes who never really had any place in the Labour Party. Corbyn and the NEC shouldn’t have been so accommodating with these people; they should have been deselected. It wouldn’t have led to any worse result and would have resulted in a better restart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Labour in Scotland hate the SNP more than anything. I know, it really is depressing. Complete backward bunch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Labour in Scotland hate the SNP more than anything. Makes sense. The SNP are the successful party of the true left. Labour are a party filled with right wing lobbyist sympathizers. It's cute when their Scottish branch try to convince us all up here that they're really really really left wing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Can't believe that Corbyn has not stood down yet, and is still rabbiting on in the House about how he will holding the Govt to account. He should have resigned on Friday morning. Even Cameron had the decency to do that when he lost the referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Can't believe that Corbyn has not stood down yet, and is still rabbiting on in the House about how he will holding the Govt to account. He should have resigned on Friday morning. Even Cameron had the decency to do that when he lost the referendum. I'm sure he will resign. But hopefully he does a good amount of right-wing arsehole emptying before passing the deeds over to a socialist. I'll tune in for the utter billionaire seethe alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbsouth Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Judging by the candidates for new leader i predict a Tory government for the next 10 years minimum. The Scottish mob have to accept Indy2 or face oblivion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, tbsouth said: Judging by the candidates for new leader i predict a Tory government for the next 10 years minimum. The Scottish mob have to accept Indy2 or face oblivion. I want Diane Abbott! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, tbsouth said: Judging by the candidates for new leader i predict a Tory government for the next 10 years minimum. The Scottish mob have to accept Indy2 or face oblivion. If only it was just going to be 10 years. And yes, the Scottish mob need to wake up and smell the coffee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Day of the Lords said: There is no anti-semitism in that post you fucking welt Well for starters blaming ordinary Jews for the action or in collusion with Israel is one. And basically wanting to " clear " Jews from the Labour Party is another. Just Jews. No other Religion mentioned. Again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, sureiknow said: Well for starters blaming ordinary Jews for the action or in collusion with Israel is one. And basically wanting to " clear " Jews from the Labour Party is another. Just Jews. No other Religion mentioned. Again. "Israel" isn't a religion you utter spanner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: He's trying to hang on and anoint s successor, which will go down like a bag of sick I woulda gone with Pep Guardiola. At least he brought a Barca style of play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusTheBull Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Starmer setting out his stall for the leadership bid tonight/tomorrow in the Guardian. I think he’d be the best of a bad bunch tbh and seems sufficiently distant from both ‘wings’ of the party. Was he manoeuvred out towards the election (due to his heavy pro-remain stance I’d presume), or did he retreat from view in order to distance himself from the leadership post-election? He also echoed the view that the Labour manifesto represented a “policy overload”. “We had important things, housing and public sector pay rises, but you couldn’t see the wood for the trees,” he said. He’s bang on about this. Their manifesto was far too wide-ranging and varied/scattergun. Someone pointed out Blair’s platform in 97 earlier which was narrow, boring, safe, easy to defend. The breadth of Corbyns made it far too easy to attack and appeared too ‘radical’ for much of England to get behind, even for those who were ok with their Brexit stance. This, of course, wasn’t helped by Labour describing it as their most radical manifesto ever every two minutes. Someone like RLB will see a Tory government through 2029. On the positive side Phillips is absolutely detested by the Momentum lot online. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Nandy came across quite well on newsnight. Could definitely see her challenging for PM of England and Wales.I'd also say a wid (when she smiles) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 We’ll see what happens but given a big problem seems to have been the pivot to Remain and the Tories success in hammering the message of “Get Brexit Done” home, I’m not sure how people believe one of the the chief architects of Labour’s Remain policy will challenge the inevitable claims that he’s never respected the will of the people and that he probably wants to overturn the decision by fiat. Ultimately, saying “this leader will take Labour 20+ points in the polls while this one will consign Labour to electoral oblivion” are ignoring dozens of factors that need to be considered over the next five years. One of the most important tasks for Labour, imo, is going to be ensuring that their base are able to clear all the gerrymandered hurdles that the Tories are going to try and place to cement a permanent majority for themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Labour need to learn many lessons without wholesale abandonment of radical policies. It will not be an easy journey and many of the rats they still have on board will try to make it more difficult. However going back to the thread title if Labour become a ToryLite party, as some on here and many in the MSM are arguing for, then they will have no point. People need an alternative to the Tories not a watered down version of them. We in Scotland are fortunate enough to have that, other places are not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Wonder what Yvette Cooper's going to come up with for the most "ordinary background" competition? Edited December 18, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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