John Lambies Doos Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Totally agree. There's some kind of an obsession with the idea that the next labour leader "has to be a woman". I get the impression that in some circles even Dianne Abbot would be eagerly welcomed to the top spot. As you say, the right candidate with the right qualities whatever the gender. This, and this positive discrimination needs to be called out by the MSM.After all did they not say the Lib Dem leader needed to be a woman............... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Lots of rumours that Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Raynor will be the new leadership duo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: Lots of rumours that Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Raynor will be the new leadership duo. Depends whether the membership still think McDonnell picks are the way to go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: As you say, the right candidate with the right qualities whatever the gender. In general, obviously yes. But it's bizarre how often the right candidate is male. In Labour's case, that's been literally every single time. Maybe the bar for "right candidate" status is higher for women. Wee aside that I learned recently - there are eight constituencies in North Yorkshire. Six of them have never elected a woman at a general election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Lots of rumours that Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Raynor will be the new leadership duo. Think Johnson's 'manners' may be shown up in having to face them across the floor. Can't help but feel the direction of the Labour Party will be crafted by the media, towards the centre, so that when the Tories are shown up they (media) have an acceptable alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not sure why they're getting rid of Corbyn tbh. The man's a visionary 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, GordonS said: In general, obviously yes. But it's bizarre how often the right candidate is male. In Labour's case, that's been literally every single time. Maybe the bar for "right candidate" status is higher for women. Wee aside that I learned recently - there are eight constituencies in North Yorkshire. Six of them have never elected a woman at a general election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I've seen an argument going around that Corbyn didn't do too badly because he got more votes than Blair. This is a bit misleading. Corbyn got 701,487, or 6.8% more votes than Blair's lowest, in 2005. But the electorate in 2005 was 44,180,243; last week it was 47,587,254. So Corbyn got 6.8% more votes than Blair, while the electorate is 3,407,011 larger now - or 7.2%. However you slice it, it's a worse result. And that's before we get to the fact that this was a government that had been in power for 8 years winning a third majority, after the Iraq War, and in an election in which the Lib Dems got 22%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Link to a longer piece in this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 15/12/2019 at 17:36, welshbairn said: Preferred it when it was the Herald Tribune and slightly more diverse. Tempted by Le Monde Diplomatique which would be cracking to be seen reading in a cafe, but I think I've only seen the English edition for sale once. Annual subscription is £40. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, ICTChris said: Lots of rumours that Rebecca Long-Bailey and Angela Raynor will be the new leadership duo. I'd like to congratulate the Tories on winning the 2024 GE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: Depends whether the membership still think McDonnell picks are the way to go. I think Socialists are the way to go. Socialism wasn't invented by Corbyn and McDonnell and I'll be going a long time after they've gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Bully Wee Villa said: I think Socialists are the way to go. Socialism wasn't invented by Corbyn and McDonnell and I'll be going a long time after they've gone. It wasn't Socialism that got defeated, it was the the way it was sold and the people responsible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Barry Gardiner is going to run.I’m trying to think of someone worse but I genuinely can’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It wasn't Socialism that got defeated, it was the the way it was sold and the people responsible. And you mentioned this how often before Thursday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It wasn't Socialism that got defeated, it was the the way it was sold and the people responsible. Yes, maybe. So sell it better and don't let Corbyn or McDonnell have any Senior position within the party as they're electoral poison. I don't see why RLB couldn't do well. She's never held one of the (Opposition versions of the) Great Offices of State so it would be a stretch to suggest she bares responsibility for the election disaster. Edited December 16, 2019 by Bully Wee Villa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, dorlomin said: And you mentioned this how often before Thursday. I'm a natural optimist. Faith in humanity has become a devalued commodity in recent years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm a natural optimist. Faith in humanity has become a devalued commodity in recent years. Quote It wasn't Socialism that got defeated, it was the the way it was sold and the people responsible. So basically you supported the Corbynites for four and a half years and are now trying to salvage ideology from the wreckage by throwing your previous heroes under the bus. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Yes, maybe. So sell it better and don't let Corbyn or McDonnell have any Senior position within the party as they're electoral poison. I don't see why RLB couldn't do well. She's never held one of the (Opposition versions of the) Great Offices of State so it would be a stretch to suggest she bares responsibility for the election disaster. She was Corbyn's leading substitute in the debates, front and centre, and had a high shadow cabinet position. I'm not against her, just think she might toil doing PMQ's every week and maybe Nandy could take the notch down a bit and be more effective, over probably 5 years of opposition. And more importantly, I've got a bet on Nandy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Barry Gardiner is going to run.I’m trying to think of someone worse but I genuinely can’t.Jeremy Corbyn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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