Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 H_B [emoji38] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 H_B is a Tory. [emoji23] he's been all social justice warrior since crawling back on the forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Detournement said: he SNP had a supply agreement at Holyrood Calling you out on that one, H_B. Independent written proof please, preferably with Eck or Goldie's signature prominently displayed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB_Bino Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The SNP had a supply agreement at Holyrood and snuggled up with Annabel Goldie for years but that seems to have been airbrushed from history. I’m not an SNP supporter but that’s news to me! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Quote THE SNP is to pave the way for a historic coalition pact with the Conservatives by scrapping a 20-year old ban barring it from working with the party. In a move which will be seen as a totemic shift in Scottish politics, the Nationalists will agree this week to allow their elected members to enter government with the party of Margaret Thatcher. The move is designed primarily to allow SNP councillors to go into coalition with the Tories in several of Scotland's 32 local authorities - potentially freezing out Labour in several councils. But senior party figures last night said it would also apply in practice to negotiations at Holyrood, paving the way for a possible SNP-Tory alliance. The warming of relations between the SNP and the Conservatives will be further sealed in two weeks' time when First Minister Alex Salmond and Tory leader David Cameron meet for the first time to discuss how they may share power if Cameron wins the next general election. SNP sources admit they have already effectively entered an informal coalition pact with the Tories at Holyrood, under which they expect the Conservatives to support their budget in return for a series of concessions on tax cuts, police numbers and drugs policy. The SNP voted in the ban on co-operation during the Thatcher government, declaring that they could never enter any deals with the party of that visited the poll tax on Scotland. It has remained ever since, preventing any form of official pact between the parties. The change to official SNP policy will be voted on at the party's National Council meeting next week, after being proposed by the party's Association of National Councillors. SNP councillor Dave Berry said: "This will bring the party's policies into line with the reality of the 21st century. The party's councillors have talked and we want to put it to the party that they be allowed to form coalitions as they see fit." Senior party figures last night said it would, in effect, also allow the SNP to enter into a formal deal with the Tories at Holyrood if they chose. An SNP MSP described the Tory brand as having now been "detoxified". In the short term, the move could lead to several changes in government in councils where the SNP has frozen itself out of power because of its refusal to work with the Tories. They include Dundee, South Ayrshire, West Lothian, Falkirk and Perth and Kinross which could all be run by Tory-SNP administrations once the ban is removed. The SNP leader on Falkirk Council, David Alexander, said: "This ban was brought in when Margaret Thatcher and John Major were causing havoc to Scotland. But things have changed. Now you could argue that Labour are further to the right than the Tories. We should acknowledge that." A spokesman for the SNP said: "This policy was devised when council elections were under first-past-the-post, so this motion draws attention to the reality of the new system of single transferable vote. The SNP has the most councillors in Scotland and it is natural to want to form as many administrations across the length and breadth of Scotland as well." From 2007 https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-frozen-out-as-snp-buries-hatchet-with-conservatives-to-end-20-year-taboo-1-1427779 The Tories are playing a divisive role in Scotland. They are effectively saying to whichever party their supporters are least hostile to (formerly Labour now the SNP) that they will pass their policies without asking for anything in return. The actual dividend for them is keeping the parties to the left them at each others throats and being kingmakers rather than an irrelevance. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]His act is becoming pretty funny tbh. Unintentionally mind [emoji38] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Rubin Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 The bit H_B missed out As to whether the change would herald a new SNP-Tory alliance, he added: "We are happy with the SNP minority government. It has been successful and we have no plans to that change." A spokesman for the Scottish Conservatives said: "It is for the SNP to decide on these issues. At the Scottish Parliament level, we were the party that argued for a minority government and issue-by-issue politics. The position is unchanged regardless of any move by the SNP. "The voting records show that we have voted exactly the same number of times with Labour as with the SNP.Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-frozen-out-as-snp-buries-hatchet-with-conservatives-to-end-20-year-taboo-1-1427779 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 HB [emoji23][emoji23] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 10 hours ago, Detournement said: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/labour-frozen-out-as-snp-buries-hatchet-with-conservatives-to-end-20-year-taboo-1-1427779 My god, H_B! Are you really trying to pass off a 2007 speculative piece in a Unionist rag, in which the SNP specifically state that they have no plans to change working as a minority government, as proof that they are in a formal supply agreement with the Tories? You were a joke before, but I'm not even sure how to describe you now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 His act is becoming pretty funny tbh. Unintentionally mind [emoji38] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 16 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: My god, H_B! Are you really trying to pass off a 2007 speculative piece in a Unionist rag, in which the SNP specifically state that they have no plans to change working as a minority government, as proof that they are in a formal supply agreement with the Tories? You were a joke before, but I'm not even sure how to describe you now. I'm just pointing out for the potential benefit of younger (and ignorant) posters that in 2007 everyone understood the SNP got all their budgets through via a backroom agreement with the Tories. Supply and Confidence was a poor choice of words but it's a fact that they had an informal arrangement which amounted to the same thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/28/2018 at 17:33, Detournement said: Whit? The SNP had a supply agreement at Holyrood and snuggled up with Annabel Goldie for years but that seems to have been airbrushed from history. 6 minutes ago, Detournement said: I'm just pointing out for the potential benefit of younger (and ignorant) posters that in 2007 everyone understood the SNP got all their budgets through via a backroom agreement with the Tories. Supply and Confidence was a poor choice of words but it's a fact that they had an informal arrangement which amounted to the same thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) Like I said it was a poor choice of words but they definitely had an agreement? Why else did the Tories support every single SNP budget? Edited December 30, 2018 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Just now, Detournement said: Like I said it was a poor choice of words but they definitely had an agreement? Why else did the Tories support every single SNP budget? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/28/2018 at 17:33, Detournement said: Whit? The SNP had a supply agreement at Holyrood and snuggled up with Annabel Goldie for years but that seems to have been airbrushed from history. Perish the thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Perish the thought. Well she's not complained to the polis so either way it's ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 H_B at his Anthony C Pick best (or should that be worst?). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Like I said it was a poor choice of words but they definitely had an agreement? Why else did the Tories support every single SNP budget?Man you're desperate. Stick to the rugby forum please 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Never go full HB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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