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9 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

The very fact that there is growing discussion across all media of a potential LibLab pact as an outcome at the next GE says all you need to know. Starmer has the biggest gaping, chasm of an open goal and still there is a realistic chance he is going to blow it.

I too am not convinced that the Labour 'revival' will deliver a majority for Starmer at Westminster. Any time now, he'll probably start going full Trump... 'we're gonna win bigly, and if we don't it could only be because of fraud/bibery/Corbynites/Venezuela/the Russians/the Chinese....' 

Of course he won't mention by name the real enemy of his chances, the Mail, the Express, the Telegraph, etc. 

 

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2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

I too am not convinced that the Labour 'revival' will deliver a majority for Starmer at Westminster. Any time now, he'll probably start going full Trump... 'we're gonna win bigly, and if we don't it could only be because of fraud/bibery/Corbynites/Venezuela/the Russians/the Chinese....' 

Of course he won't mention by name the real enemy of his chances, the Mail, the Express, the Telegraph, etc. 

 

And himself.

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Interpretation by The National so pinch of salt - but any flood of support for Labour and the Union over SNP self-harm seems to have reached high tide.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23512393.scottish-independence-support-rising-according-new-poll/

Labour will  be gutted, the Tories will be gutted, so will ALBA (3%!). And, I think, Mad Wings Stuart.

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I'm looking forward to the doorstep visit from the bright-eyed and bushy-tailed student Labour activists who appear here at election time.  Amongst other things I'll be asking for their thoughts on Starmer's views on student tuition fees, and just how Scottish Labour will tell it's London masters to f**k off when they try and blight my two teenage grand-daughters life chances by enforcing uniformity with England.

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We actually had s LibDem canvassing today. They're targeting the SNP-held East Dunbartonshire seat they lost, and we're being shifted into it through boundary changes.

 

Local LibDems regularly go into council coalutions with Tories and Labour, and their candidate is a certifiable Councillor who was really keen on shutting our library.

 

So the LibDems can chuff right off.

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9 minutes ago, HTG said:

Where is this taken from?

Dunno about that, but there's a quote in the Independent... "“And look – if that sounds conservative, then let me tell you: I don’t care. Somebody has got to stand up for the things that make this country great and it isn’t going to be the Tories,” extracts from his speech pre-briefed by Labour say." 

Looks like he's in danger of going full Trump... Except in our case, his silly hats will say "Make the UK grate again". 

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The removal of the aspirations of Clause iv ended my membership of the Labour Party.  I didn't seriously believe that any Labour Government would strive to meet the objectives of that Clause; but, however symbolic and romantic, it somehow kept the Party connected to the principles of Socialism.

I now have no idea how to categorise the fundamental beliefs of the Labour Party, other than that they should be in Government and will say and do anything to realise that objective. We've now had another 13 years of Tory misrule and it appears that this era will continue if the appalling Starmer leads the next Government.

f**k knows what will be in the Labour Party General Election Manifesto, but it should be an entertaining read in a bitter, tragi-comic way. 

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On 13/05/2023 at 16:29, Thane of Cawdor said:

The removal of the aspirations of Clause iv ended my membership of the Labour Party.  I didn't seriously believe that any Labour Government would strive to meet the objectives of that Clause; but, however symbolic and romantic, it somehow kept the Party connected to the principles of Socialism.

I now have no idea how to categorise the fundamental beliefs of the Labour Party, other than that they should be in Government and will say and do anything to realise that objective. We've now had another 13 years of Tory misrule and it appears that this era will continue if the appalling Starmer leads the next Government.

f**k knows what will be in the Labour Party General Election Manifesto, but it should be an entertaining read in a bitter, tragi-comic way. 

Playing spot the difference with the Tory manifesto might make it interesting

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65593353

 

Sirkier 'Peter Butterworth' Starmer responds to Braverman's latest hysteria by criticising her mainly for knocking British workers, not for pursuing a cruel immigration policy. Actual fruit pickers may also resent his suggestion that their job is the lowest of the low.

 

Elsewhere he's credited as also criticising the Tory failure to fulfil their immigration reduction promises. Again rather than condemning the heartlessness of their methods.

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1 hour ago, KirkieRR said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65593353

 

Sirkier 'Peter Butterworth' Starmer responds to Braverman's latest hysteria by criticising her mainly for knocking British workers, not for pursuing a cruel immigration policy. Actual fruit pickers may also resent his suggestion that their job is the lowest of the low.

 

Elsewhere he's credited as also criticising the Tory failure to fulfil their immigration reduction promises. Again rather than condemning the heartlessness of their methods.

Hardly surprising when you look at the "Labour" policy agenda under Starmer.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1655578919079145476.html

1) Keeping anti-protest laws
2) Not taxing the wealthiest in our society
3) Keeping services in private hands
4) Keeping tuition fees
5) Tagging migrants
6) Keeping some forms of conversion therapy
7) Visiting anti-LGBTQ+ churches
8) No freedom of movement
9) Attack unions
10) Not increase wages by inflation
11) Not supporting striking workers
12) Continue to privatise the NHS
13) Thatcher inspired policies on crime
14) Continue austerity
15) Nationalism, not nationalisation
16) Giving up on democracy
17) Coalitions with the Conservatives in councils
18) Sectarian politicians
19) Endorsements from Conservatives
20) Hierarchy of racism
21) Black Lives Who?
22) UKIP style immigration
23) TW: Domestic Abuse
24) Channel Crossings
25) TW: Brianna Ghey's murder
26) Rejecting electoral reform
27) Who cares about Kashmir?
28) Broken promises
29) Thatcher's Housing Policy
30) Rent freeze? lol
31) Cutting benefits
32) Similar immigration policies

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