StellarHibee Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Oh Labour... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Red Tories? Perish the thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 The next time Scottish Labour talk about Labour standing up for Scottish interests it should perhaps be pointed out that this morning Rachel Reeves told Nick Ferrari that Labour wouldn't be opposing the rise in duty on one of Scotland's most important products, whisky. As I understand it, as a result, 75% of the cost of a bottle now goes to the Treasury in tax and duty, a situation which Labour are presumably cool with. I realise that one line in a budget is hardly going to bring down a budget bill, but to me it's an interesting example of the thought process and the importance that Scottish interests play in Labour's "national" considerations. Reeves seemed genuinely shocked to be even asked the question about whether she supported the duty increases. She harped on about the cost of living and the pension changes, presumably forgetting that the cost of things like whisky are purchased by households as well. Maybe Sarwar will have a different view. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: The next time Scottish Labour talk about Labour standing up for Scottish interests it should perhaps be pointed out that this morning Rachel Reeves told Nick Ferrari that Labour wouldn't be opposing the rise in duty on one of Scotland's most important products, whisky. As I understand it, as a result, 75% of the cost of a bottle now goes to the Treasury in tax and duty, a situation which Labour are presumably cool with. I realise that one line in a budget is hardly going to bring down a budget bill, but to me it's an interesting example of the thought process and the importance that Scottish interests play in Labour's "national" considerations. Reeves seemed genuinely shocked to be even asked the question about whether she supported the duty increases. She harped on about the cost of living and the pension changes, presumably forgetting that the cost of things like whisky are purchased by households as well. Maybe Sarwar will have a different view. I think Oil and Whisky are now ~75%, 80% tax. While rationales can be made for oil re climate etc, its ridiculous that (several years ago) I bought a bottle of whisky for a couple of quid less 2000m up a mountain in the French Alps than I could in the local shops here. I drank it quicker though as "the more you buy the more you save" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Read this morning that Labour will reverse the tax relief for the upper limit on personal pension funds. I then read that they will leave it in place for doctors! I’m not sure the practicality of a different tax system for one group of workers; the detail in the legislation would probably be a minefield. Mind you knowing Labour they’ll probably do nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Read this morning that Labour will reverse the tax relief for the upper limit on personal pension funds. I then read that they will leave it in place for doctors! I’m not sure the practicality of a different tax system for one group of workers; the detail in the legislation would probably be a minefield. Mind you knowing Labour they’ll probably do nothing. Its a bollocks soundbite for the meedja. There has been a lot of angst about the £1m-ish LTA disappearing altogether. Lots of people assumed it would go to £1.8m, but scrapping it completely is probably simpler to operate and (in the real world) wont affect that many more people. Of course some very high contributors to pensions will gain out of this, but I rather suspect that all Labour may do is reimpose a cap, but at such a level as to be effectively unlimited. eta - no danger they can alter the system "just for doctors". Not happening. Edited March 16, 2023 by Leith Green 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Someone pointed out yesterday (maybe on telly?) that the pension change might actually worsen the situation of retaining high earners in the NHS because they'd be able to build up bigger pension pots quicker, so be able to retire earlier. Any pension-savvy folk know if that's true? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Someone pointed out yesterday (maybe on telly?) that the pension change might actually worsen the situation of retaining high earners in the NHS because they'd be able to build up bigger pension pots quicker, so be able to retire earlier. Any pension-savvy folk know if that's true? They dont "build up pots" as they are in a DB (final salary) scheme, its all notional. Simplistically - if someone are on a 60ths scheme, and intend working 40 years and are on £100k, their "notional" pension will be £66,666 pa. That is multiplied by 20 to reach a notional value (so £1,333,333). The LTA is currently £1,070,000 so in this case the person breached the cap and will be subject to (a lot of ) tax on the excess. The problem has been that - e.g. during Covid - if senior doctors worked extra to help, their "notional" pension figure could have gone from being below to breaching the cap in the space of one year - and they will need to pay a large tax bill. So many doctors just said "fuckit" and left or when part time. eta, and it really only impacts the higher earning consultants with lots of years in the job - so its unlikely to have a negative impact. Edited March 16, 2023 by Leith Green 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Someone pointed out yesterday (maybe on telly?) that the pension change might actually worsen the situation of retaining high earners in the NHS because they'd be able to build up bigger pension pots quicker, so be able to retire earlier. Any pension-savvy folk know if that's true? If they can afford to put away the extra £20k each year then of course they will build their pot quicker. Whether they will then want to retire earlier is supposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: If they can afford to put away the extra £20k each year then of course they will build their pot quicker. Whether they will then want to retire earlier is supposition. Doesnt really work like that unless they are also doing private work and chucking cash in there too. That would be a very small number of people given the age and earnings profile of those "in scope". Edited March 16, 2023 by Leith Green 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Leith Green said: They dont "build up pots" as they are in a DB (final salary) scheme, its all notional. Simplistically - if someone are on a 60ths scheme, and intend working 40 years and are on £100k, their "notional" pension will be £66,666 pa. That is multiplied by 20 to reach a notional value (so £1,333,333). The LTA is currently £1,070,000 so in this case the person breached the cap and will be subject to (a lot of ) tax on the excess. The problem has been that - e.g. during Covid - if senior doctors worked extra to help, their "notional" pension figure could have gone from being below to breaching the cap in the space of one year - and they will need to pay a large tax bill. So many doctors just said "fuckit" and left or when part time. I’m not sure if all, or even the majority of, doctors will be on finally salary schemes. I’d imagine GPs in practices will have SIPPs as will many others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Granny Danger said: I’m not sure if all, or even the majority of, doctors will be on finally salary schemes. I’d imagine GPs in practices will have SIPPs as will many others. GPs are in the NHS DB scheme. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Leith Green said: GPs are in the NHS DB scheme. Then it’s all smoke and mirrors; particularly the uplift from £40k to £60k. Makes Labour’s response even more senseless. ETA I didn’t even know the LTA applied to non-SIPP schemes. Edited March 16, 2023 by Granny Danger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Then it’s all smoke and mirrors; particularly the uplift from £40k to £60k. Makes Labour’s response even more senseless. ETA I didn’t even know the LTA applied to non-SIPP schemes. Apllies to everything you have (e.g. If you notionally have £800k in a DB scheme and also left that and build up SIPP value of xyz £000) But, agreed Labour are making it up as they go along ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 13 hours ago, StellarHibee said: Impossible to draw any conclusion from this other than Labour being a fundamentally racist party, and Keir Starmer is actively encouraging this state of affairs. This should be headline news on every front page and TV channel, as the intial report should have been. Instead, only one journalist contacted Forde in the wake of publication and they hadn't even read the report. Most people simply don't know it exists. The BBC trying to interfere with the contents of the report should also be a national scandal which sees a lot of people out of their jobs, but it won’t. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 KEIR STARMER EXCLUSIVE All about the SNP by the looks of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, scottsdad said: KEIR STARMER EXCLUSIVE All about the SNP by the looks of it. Keir Starmer accusing anyone of a lurch to the right has taken my breath away somewhat 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, scottsdad said: KEIR STARMER EXCLUSIVE All about the SNP by the looks of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Keir Starmer accusing anyone of a lurch to the right has taken my breath away somewhat This is Keir "Freedom of Movement is over" Starmer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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