What is the point of Labour ?

[scottsdad]

Broad shoulders...pool and share...something something

[Antlion]

2 hours ago, Stringer Bell said:

Genuinely excited to be able to vote directly for the guy in a ceremonial role who wears a funny chain and cuts the ribbon on the new food bank.

Democracy is back baby. It's good again.

The public reaction to eccie-jaw really ought to be one for @Clown Job

 

[HandsomeRichard]

4 minutes ago, Antlion said:

 much-needed free movement

[Antlion]

2 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said:

“Restricting free movement has had a devasting impact," said managing director Julian Marks. "But not just on agriculture and horticulture – on pretty much every sector where people from abroad have been working in those sectors for years and now. They’re going home."

You can see why the old UK - the EU member state we voted on in 2014 and which no longer exists - bragged about “Voting No Borders”. It’s since demonstrated that doing a 180 and erecting them in order to deter movement doesn’t work.

[KingRocketman II]

3 hours ago, Clown Job said:

Lol, wit?

This plus Brown saying that Scotland leaving the UK (and thereby rejoining the EU) would be economically detrimental - at its best it is fantasy land/cloud cuckoo politics; at it's worst it is lying, self-serving and manipulative.

There is no way both Brown and Starmer do not believe that being back in the EU would be beneficial on almost every front. Yet in the desperate hunt for votes and power, party and individuals connected to the party will always come first for Labour. At least the Tories are up front about that. 

[williemillersmoustache]

"The choice is no longer between Independence and the status quo" said Starmer.

"So how do the people of Scotland choose Independence then." asked not one of the assembled journalists. 

"YOU CANT YOU JUST FUCKING CANT OK" screamed the disembodied voice of John McTernan. 

"So you're choices are "or not the status quo" said failed Labour candidate Mz Eddie Izzard. 

There are huge guffaws and rapturous applause from the assembled media.

"Now let's get on and deliver REAL CHANGE for A NEW BRITAIN(ɴᴏᴛ ʏᴏᴜ Sᴄᴏᴛʟᴀɴᴅ)" said Starmer. 

Several members of the Scottish press are subsequently taken to hospital for what has been described as self-inflicted injuries suatained by attempting to vigorously clap and w**k at the same time. 

[Dan Steele]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

There will be plenty of Scottish Labour voters who don’t identify with Brown

And it's not just Scottish Labour voters who don't identify with Brown. Imagine having him as the poster boy for a bold new vision.

[Brother Blades]

2 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

And it's not just Scottish Labour voters who don't identify with Brown. Imagine having him as the poster boy for a bold new vision.

Bit cruel there, tbh. 

[Antlion]

6 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

And it's not just Scottish Labour voters who don't identify with Brown. Imagine having him as the poster boy for a bold new vision.

Come on - what is it about this lying, amoral living corpse that doesn’t scream “bold” or “new” or “vision”?

Edited December 5, 2022 by Antlion

[Dan Steele]

1 minute ago, Brother Blades said:

Bit cruel there, tbh. 

Oops

[HandsomeRichard]

40 minutes ago, Antlion said:

“Restricting free movement has had a devasting impact," said managing director Julian Marks. "But not just on agriculture and horticulture – on pretty much every sector where people from abroad have been working in those sectors for years and now. They’re going home."

You can see why the old UK - the EU member state we voted on in 2014 and which no longer exists - bragged about “Voting No Borders”. It’s since demonstrated that doing a 180 and erecting them in order to deter movement doesn’t work.

Big business can’t push wages down by employing from Europe as easily anymore.

Cry me a river.

[DA Baracus]

4 hours ago, GTG_03 said:

Why is Gordon brown still seen as being relevant? He should be in a retirement home where he can explain to the carers that his vision of the UK is what's best and that he was once prime minister you know.

I'd like to be able to vote for labour but as long as they treat Scotland like this they'll get nowt from me.

 

Why? They're absolute scum.

[Antlion]

9 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said:

Big business can’t push wages down by employing from Europe as easily anymore.

Cry me a river.

I assume you’ll also be hoping that big business can’t pull wages down by employing from England as easily in an independent Scotland, etc? Thankfully, most don’t want to throw up borders.

[HandsomeRichard]

5 minutes ago, Antlion said:

I assume you’ll also be hoping that big business can’t pull wages down by employing from England as easily in an independent Scotland, etc? Thankfully, most don’t want to throw up borders.

I’d rather not get into hypotheticals.

[Antlion]

3 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said:

I’d rather not get into hypotheticals.

Yet you voted for one in 2016.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Antlion

[HandsomeRichard]

Just now, Antlion said:

Yer you voted for one in 2016.

I most certainly did not!

[Granny Danger]

13 minutes ago, Antlion said:

I assume you’ll also be hoping that big business can’t pull wages down by employing from England as easily in an independent Scotland, etc? Thankfully, most don’t want to throw up borders.

He’s a troll*, I wouldn’t waste the effort.
 

* and a shite one at that.

[coprolite]

52 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said:

This plus Brown saying that Scotland leaving the UK (and thereby rejoining the EU) would be economically detrimental - at its best it is fantasy land/cloud cuckoo politics; at it's worst it is lying, self-serving and manipulative.

There is no way both Brown and Starmer do not believe that being back in the EU would be beneficial on almost every front. Yet in the desperate hunt for votes and power, party and individuals connected to the party will always come first for Labour. At least the Tories are up front about that. 

Scotland leaving the UK may well be economically detrimental for the same reasons as the Uk leaving the EU was.

rUK is almost certainly Scotland’s biggest trading partner and almost certainly would be following any independence.
 

It’s going to be difficult to have a foot in each of two mutually incompatible trading blocs so it would be Former UK or EU, not both, very likely.

There would necessarily be barriers to trade between rUK and Scotland that currently aren’t there that would be a deadweight cost to both economies.

That’s not to say Indy is bad, but there will be costs. 
 

Although the downside of remaining in the UK was increased massively by Brexit, the downside of leaving has probably increased by more.

[Antlion]

10 minutes ago, HandsomeRichard said:

I most certainly did not!

There was no White Paper for Brexit. There was not even a fragment of a sentence of a plan put to voters. It was all hypothetical. In fact, we were assured by the Brexiteers that we’d continue to access the Single Market (and thus by implication have free movement, though they didn’t publicise that bit).

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, coprolite said:

Scotland leaving the UK may well be economically detrimental for the same reasons as the Uk leaving the EU was.

rUK is almost certainly Scotland’s biggest trading partner and almost certainly would be following any independence.
 

It’s going to be difficult to have a foot in each of two mutually incompatible trading blocs so it would be Former UK or EU, not both, very likely.

There would necessarily be barriers to trade between rUK and Scotland that currently aren’t there that would be a deadweight cost to both economies.

That’s not to say Indy is bad, but there will be costs. 
 

Although the downside of remaining in the UK was increased massively by Brexit, the downside of leaving has probably increased by more.

I think by the time we have Independence (and I hope it’s not too far away) the U.K. will have a far closer trading relationship with the EU than it does at present.