Granny Danger Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Anyone getting board by the cut and paste posts? Some of us are wise enough to ignore them; sadly not enough of us… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Right lads this time we are abolishing the house of Lords..honest https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-keir-starmer-and-gordon-brown-heading-for-clash-over-house-of-lords-abolition-0f63gz33w 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 36 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Right lads this time we are abolishing the house of Lords..honest https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-keir-starmer-and-gordon-brown-heading-for-clash-over-house-of-lords-abolition-0f63gz33w Shocked I am. Stunned. Gabber, flasted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 2 hours ago, doulikefish said: Right lads this time we are abolishing the house of Lords..honest https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sir-keir-starmer-and-gordon-brown-heading-for-clash-over-house-of-lords-abolition-0f63gz33w Any chance of a cut and paste. Can’t get past the paywall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Any chance of a cut and paste. Can’t get past the paywall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said: “I’m totally astounded that Labour are changing their position on this” said absolutely no one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Just now, Granny Danger said: “I’m totally astounded that Labour are changing their position on this” said absolutely no one. We're going to abolish it. We're going to reform it. We're going to consult on reforming it. I suppose Starmer has a point about Brown(if you believe that nothing on earth matters except putting Keir Starmer into no.10, as Keir clearly does). Just because Gordy had a big think and wrote it down doesn't make it party policy and why would Keir put any stumbling blocks in the way of his rise to power, like policies or principles? Regardless of what form or words they use to announce the 9th(?) iteration of the Broon Solution, they won't commit to it pre election. Too much like hard work, too risky to actually stand for something. Plus ca change 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Populism (definitions): In political science, populism is the idea that society is separated into two groups at odds with one another- the 'pure people' and the 'corrupt elite' 'The true populist leader claims to represent the unified 'will of the people' He (or she) stands in opposition to an 'enemy', often embodied by the current system. So, a de facto Ref called at the GE, in order to express the unified will of the people, in opposition to the enemy of the Westminster system, which is denying Scottish democracy. Society separated into two groups, the pure people (who support Independence) and the corrupt elite (the Westminster governments) Dividing different trade unions, and public sector workers into those who are 'popular' with the public (the 'pure' people, if you like), against the more 'corrupt' (those who are unpopular with the public, and during a Cost of Living crisis, 'already' have enough money, so they don't get a pay rise.Utter bollocks, just stop it now. On to my very short ignore list you go. Tedious doesn't even start to describe you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) Quote We're going to abolish it. We're going to reform it. We're going to consult on reforming it. Ida thought a second chamber would be relatively easy to establish - same powers as current HoL, 300 members selected by PR of votes cast in Scotland, Wales, NI & English regions at GEs, simple to put in a manifesto. Main drawback would be the people chosen would be "party hacks" - same difference really. As I say easy to implement and you could have some sorta review after 10 years to see if it was working. Edited December 4, 2022 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 18 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: We're going to abolish it. We're going to reform it. We're going to consult on reforming it. We’re going to do nothing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 18 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: We're going to abolish it. We're going to reform it. We're going to consult on reforming it. 4 minutes ago, Clown Job said: We’re going to do nothing Who on earth could be against all the freebies, subsidised food & drink, £300 a day for signing in to an elite club? Oh, aye, right enough "Keir Starmer has been warned by Labour peers that he risks getting bogged down in a “constitutional quagmire” that will prevent him completing other urgent domestic reforms if he pushes ahead with plans to scrap the House of Lords in the first term of a Labour government." Guardian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Who on earth could be against all the freebies, subsidised food & drink, £300 a day for signing in to an elite club? Oh, aye, right enough "Keir Starmer has been warned by Labour peers that he risks getting bogged down in a “constitutional quagmire” that will prevent him completing other urgent domestic reforms if he pushes ahead with plans to scrap the House of Lords in the first term of a Labour government." Guardian. OK. If he is going to struggle to abolish them in a first term, then save some cash. Cut their daily allowance to £50 per day plus travel expenses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: OK. If he is going to struggle to abolish them in a first term, then save some cash. Cut their daily allowance to £50 per day plus travel expenses. Worth it just for the laughs when they all threaten to strike because who can afford to take a pay cut these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: Worth it just for the laughs when they all threaten to strike because who can afford to take a pay cut these days. I’ve never been a scab but if the HoL went on strike I’d happily go in and do the job. Since retiring I have occasionally drank alcohol in the afternoon so I’m suitably qualified. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Starmer is a p***k, imagine referencing the Tories and the SNP in the same paragraph, the boring tedious w**k. Oh, and yet again zero reference to Brexit, lets see if that continues after the GE........ I will channel my inner Kevin Keegan and say I would love it if these c***s fell just short (even with the lickspittle Lib Dems MPs) and came cap in hand to the SNP. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/04/the-journey-towards-a-fairer-britain-starts-now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Starmer is a p***k, imagine referencing the Tories and the SNP in the same paragraph, the boring tedious w**k. Oh, and yet again zero reference to Brexit, lets see if that continues after the GE........ I will channel my inner Kevin Keegan and say I would love it if these c***s fell just short (even with the lickspittle Lib Dems MPs) and came cap in hand to the SNP. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/04/the-journey-towards-a-fairer-britain-starts-now Quote I have always believed that the people best placed to decide what works in Stirling, Sunderland or Swansea are the people there. I know it's a standard thing to show off how you've heard of places outside of London, but this alliterative place name shit can f**k off in particular. Especially considering "the people there" in Stirling elected 8 SNP councillors, 7 Tory, 5 Labour, a Green and 2 independents. And Labour are putatively in charge propped up by the fucking Tories. The man is a charlatan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, williemillersmoustache said: And Labour are putatively in charge propped up by the fucking Tories. Same in Edinburgh m9. Labour - Tories, can't tell the difference at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Now, now, Jedi tells us that's 'Realpolitik', not Labour being Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Yet this is a red line for Sir Keir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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