What is the point of Labour ?

[lichtgilphead]

As always, it's instructive to look to Wales, where Labour are in power.

Welsh teachers got 5%, backdated to September. 

Why is this acceptable in Wales, whilst larger pay offers in Scotland have Jedi up in arms?

[tamthebam]

9 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

As a trade union member do you pay the political levy?

There's no connection with the Labour Party so none of my subs go to them 

I'd opt out anyway if it did.

[doulikefish]

This weekend in Labour ...Dodds says she doesn't support striking workers...Stamers says freedom of movement is his red line and Nandy backs gove over right to buy they are interchangable with the blue ones 

[Salt n Vinegar]

1 hour ago, doulikefish said:

This weekend in Labour ...Dodds says she doesn't support striking workers...Stamers says freedom of movement is his red line and Nandy backs gove over right to buy they are interchangable with the blue ones 

? 'kin ell. 

If you listen really, really carefully you should be able to hear the sound of my late parents spinning in their graves. 

[KingRocketman II]

Keir Starmer has ruled out bringing back free movement of people between Britain and the EU, saying it would be a “red line” for Labour if it gets into power – despite supporting the policy just three years ago.

yer Labour and Starmer for you there. Get them tae....

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Jedi - any thoughts?

Starmer is doing what previous Labour leaders have done - completely ignore the democratic wishes of the party membership.

[Granny Danger]

10 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Jedi - any thoughts?

Starmer is doing what previous Labour leaders have done - completely ignore the democratic wishes of the party membership.
 

As a former Labour Party member for 20 years (in the dim and distant pass) it’s certainly déjà vu to see a leader of a supposedly democratic party making up policy on the hoof and with no regard to the views of the membership.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

As a former Labour Party member for 20 years (in the dim and distant pass) it’s certainly déjà vu to see a leader of a supposedly democratic party making up policy on the hoof and with no regard to the views of the membership.

Ditto.

They've got previous for doing it.

[scottsdad]

Full front page of the Heil attacking Labour's plan to make private schools pay VAT

[Salt n Vinegar]

16 hours ago, KingRocketman II said:

Keir Starmer has ruled out bringing back free movement of people between Britain and the EU, saying it would be a “red line” for Labour if it gets into power – despite supporting the policy just three years ago.

yer Labour and Starmer for you there. Get them tae....

Starmer has just announced the campaign for the next general election... 

"Vote Labour... keep Brexit". 

That'll go down well in Scotland . 

[Stellaboz]

Red tories. f**k off.

[BB_Bino]

1 hour ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Starmer has just announced the campaign for the next general election... 

"Vote Labour... keep Brexit". 

That'll go down well in Scotland . 

Without actually saying it publicly, I think Starmer probably realised long ago that Labour was finished in Scotland, and he now needs to be popular elsewhere to win the seats that they require. His rhetoric is playing up to English voters that swung to Tory in the last election, but at the same time, saying the right things to the English and Welsh voters that are loyal voters of the party. I think the days of winning back Scottish votes have gone, admitting that we both want different things but without actually admitting it.

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, BB_Bino said:

Without actually saying it publicly, I think Starmer probably realised long ago that Labour was finished in Scotland, and he now needs to be popular elsewhere to win the seats that they require. His rhetoric is playing up to English voters that swung to Tory in the last election, but at the same time, saying the right things to the English and Welsh voters that are loyal voters of the party. I think the days of winning back Scottish votes have gone, admitting that we both want different things but without actually admitting it.

Labour will rarely be the largest party at Westminster.  When Scotland becomes Independent it will be even tougher for them to form a government.

[aDONisSheep]

As a long time Labour supporter and self confessed champagne socialist.  I fukking despair at Keir Starmer and his lack of vision (and honesty).

Tory-lite does not inspire me at all.

Seriously thinking about wasting my vote and going Green party (and I've got Joy Morrisey as a useless fukker Tory MP to try and get rid of).

Yours, disillusioned with Labour

aDONis

[scottsdad]

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Labour will rarely be the largest party at Westminster.  When Scotland becomes Independent it will be even tougher for them to form a government.

Exactly why, when they do next get in, they should introduce PR. 

[Granny Danger]

29 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Exactly why, when they do next get in, they should introduce PR. 

One of the many things Labour should do, but won’t.

[ICTJohnboy]

5 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

Starmer has just announced the campaign for the next general election... 

"Vote Labour... keep Brexit". 

That'll go down well in Scotland . 

 

Shirley they won't lose the only MP they've got in Scotland?

[Salt n Vinegar]

2 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Shirley they won't lose the only MP they've got in Scotland?

As I understand it, it can be quite difficult for voters to know that he is in the Labour Party as he appears not to make much mention of that minor detail on his election material . (So I was told by my younger laddie who lived in his constituency for a couple of years. Urban myth?) 

[KirkieRR]

It's quite a literary genre, the election leaflet. In the last GE and last Holyrood election I was just able to confirm that the Tory productions never mentioned Brexit before lobbing them into the recycling.

It's a shame Labour never send any footsoldiers canvassing to our doorstep, even though the seat is theoretically winnable. Besides Labour's habit of going into coalition with Tories in our cooncil, I'd love to ask them about Sirkier Starmer and his Brexitlove not to mention his peculiar (for a 'socialist') antipathy to free movement.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

2 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

As I understand it, it can be quite difficult for voters to know that he is in the Labour Party as he appears not to make much mention of that minor detail on his election material . (So I was told by my younger laddie who lived in his constituency for a couple of years. Urban myth?) 

I wouldn't be surprised tbh. He's pretty popular in what is one of Scotland's wealthiest constituencies and effectively stands as the Unionist or anti SNP candidate.