What is the point of Labour ?

[HTG]

3 hours ago, Highlandmagar said:

Oh my! A bit of a Tory type rant there.

Ooft!

[Bad Wolf]

Starmer, LOL. I can't really think of anything to add to that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but but but.... "SNP bad!"

[williemillersmoustache]

Would the real Keir Starmer please stand up. Oh you have? f**k off then you duplicitous c**t.

 

 

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

On 20/11/2022 at 12:35, Granny Danger said:

Labour’s Welsh First Minster, Mark Drakeford, is in Qatar.  A man without a chin. 

 

Ftfy

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Farage has likened what Starmer has said on immigration to his own 2015 UKIP manifesto.

Labour are absolutely howling. 

[scottsdad]

2 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Farage has likened what Starmer has said on immigration to his own 2015 UKIP manifesto.

Labour are absolutely howling. 

He's saying this from the mirror reality of folk here. Talking about the Tories being Labour-Lite. He's saying all this to attack the Tories. 

[carpetmonster]

 

[williemillersmoustache]

5 hours ago, carpetmonster said:

 

When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.

[Granny Danger]

When are the trade unions going to hold this bunch to account; or just stop funding them?

[Guest Jedi]

Maybe around the same time the SNP stop using a right wing tactic to play trade unions off against each other in Scotland, in order to quell calls for fair wages, and better conditions. 

[Highlandmagar]

8 hours ago, Jedi said:

Maybe around the same time the SNP stop using a right wing tactic to play trade unions off against each other in Scotland, in order to quell calls for fair wages, and better conditions. 

That just confirms that you accept that Labour is right wing. Starmer doesn't allow any comment or participation of his MP's on these round of strikes. If Labour win the next GE, they will govern as an establishment, forelock tugging right wing royalist living bunch of charlatans  in the fast lane with the Tories. Ultra capitalists in red sheep's clothing.

 

ETA. Brexit loving liars.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Highlandmagar

[git-intae-thum]

8 hours ago, Jedi said:

Maybe around the same time the SNP stop using a right wing tactic to play trade unions off against each other in Scotland, in order to quell calls for fair wages, and better conditions. 

The devolved settlement entails  limited allowance for variance of expenditure. So its not really Scotgovs fault no matter how hard SLAB agitators wish it to be so.

It is just highlights why we need the full fiscal powers of. independence.

[btb]

Quote

Rich nations have promised to pay for the climate crisis – but will they?

Gordon Brown

 

For too long pledges have gone unmet,

Says the man who should know about unmet pledges.

[Guest Jedi]

That would be why Labour are proposing to reverse some of the Tory policies on trade union legislation. Starmer's 'comments' on a front bench Shadow MP attending a picket line, is that MP'S should be part of the negotiations, rather than out and about on the 'front line'.

The Scot govt makes around £75 billion a year (£41 billion from Westminster, and around £34 billion from income tax (totally devolved). They were handed an extra £1.5 billion in Hunt's budget last week. There are traditionally years in which the Scot govt has underspent its budget.

Yasaf and Somerville spent the last week saying that there wasn't a penny more available for pay settlements, and then magically 'found' an extra £515 million on Thursday night to offer some health care sectors.

The 'cost' of settling the teachers dispute? Estimated £300 million.  Suggesting that the decision to block teachers is a political/populist one, as the govt both don't value teachers, and don't see them as 'popular' enough with the public (long holidays etc) to settle the dispute.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Jedi

[lichtgilphead]

30 minutes ago, Jedi said:

There are traditionally years in which the Scot govt has underspent its budget.

How misleading!

See https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-19-02227/ 

"Under the current devolution settlement, the Scottish Parliament is not allowed to overspend its budget.

The Scottish Parliament budgets are prepared in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS) and form the basis on which the Consolidated Accounts are prepared and audited. Separately, the Scottish Government is required to live within HM Treasury budgetary controls."

and

"The Scottish Government manages budgets across more than one year and carries forward some spending into the next year where needed, so any underspends do not reflect a missed opportunity to spend more on public services. Not a penny of the cash variance is handed back to the Treasury, instead it is carried forward through the Scotland Reserve."

Of course, when Labour (and the Lib-Dems) were in power in Scotland, this underspend was meekly handed back to London. It took an snp government to stop this nonsensical practice.

All Jedi has done is to demonstrate (yet again) that the Scottish Government does not have sufficient control over its own budget.

[tamthebam]

I'm a public sector worker

I'm in a trade union

My wages have been kept down by and I've gone on strike against Labour, Tory and now SNP Governments

The only thing you can guarantee is that politicians will never take a pay cut.

[Guest Jedi]

If the answer to every question raised of the SG is that they can do 'next to nothing' until/unless Independent, that would mean that they can't be judged on their record in any way, and of course, raises the question, what is the point of their being in government in Holyrood, given that their hands are financially tied to such an extent?

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

I'm a public sector worker

I'm in a trade union

My wages have been kept down by and I've gone on strike against Labour, Tory and now SNP Governments

The only thing you can guarantee is that politicians will never take a pay cut.

As a trade union member do you pay the political levy?

[sophia]

1 hour ago, Jedi said:

That would be why Labour are proposing to reverse some of the Tory policies on trade union legislation. Starmer's 'comments' on a front bench Shadow MP attending a picket line, is that MP'S should be part of the negotiations, rather than out and about on the 'front line'.

The Scot govt makes around £75 billion a year (£41 billion from Westminster, and around £34 billion from income tax (totally devolved). They were handed an extra £1.5 billion in Hunt's budget last week. There are traditionally years in which the Scot govt has underspent its budget.

Yasaf and Somerville spent the last week saying that there wasn't a penny more available for pay settlements, and then magically 'found' an extra £515 million on Thursday night to offer some health care sectors.

The 'cost' of settling the teachers dispute? Estimated £300 million.  Suggesting that the decision to block teachers is a political/populist one, as the govt both don't value teachers, and don't see them as 'popular' enough with the public (long holidays etc) to settle the dispute.

Our government doesn't make money from Westminster, not does has it been handed extra money from Hunt.

The money is all ours, it is simply laundered through a level of accountancy that is as needless as it is corrupt.

[Guest Jedi]

8 minutes ago, sophia said:

Our government doesn't make money from Westminster, not does has it been handed extra money from Hunt.

The money is all ours, it is simply laundered through a level of accountancy that is as needless as it is corrupt.

Not suggesting that the money isn't 'ours', given that Scotland makes a substantial and significant contribution to the whole UK finance.

The point is more that the Scot govt brings in £75 billion per year, doesn't really matter where its from.Some years that is underspend and then yes..carried over.

Is £300 million from that money too high a price to pay teachers..or indeed the £700 million it would take to pay health care workers? Neither dispute is even asking for a rise to 'match' the rate of inflation. Or is it rather a political choice on the part of the SG as they keep an eye on what will play best with public opinion?