scottsdad Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: I'm sure some of the pro Palestinian feelings in the Labour Party veered over the edge into anti semitism on occasion by mainly no marks on Twitter, but there was a hugely successful propaganda campaign to make it seem as if the core of the party and everyone around and including Corbyn was antisemitic. Any resistance to that accusation was seen as anti semitic in its own right, and people were expelled from the party merely for saying the accusations were exaggerated. The people behind the campaign have managed to make any criticism of the Israeli state and questioning of how they gained their territory and how Palestinians are treated, a sackable offence. Certainly anyone suggesting that the Israeli Embassy might have had anything to do with the anti Corbyn campaign would be out on their ear in an instant. The details you are looking for can be found here https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party-finds-unlawful-acts-discrimination-and -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, scottsdad said: The details you are looking for can be found here https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party-finds-unlawful-acts-discrimination-and This series is worth a watch too. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmgHJr0N3-6rTg2nnww_y5ymZkMWYoiNN 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, scottsdad said: The details you are looking for can be found here https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-work/news/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party-finds-unlawful-acts-discrimination-and But there are almost no details there at all? All that can be confirmed through reading it is that the complaints process was not fit for purpose, the only named individuals being people who were known to be cranks long before the anti-Semitism scandal broke... With no context it sounds like "with 23 instances of inappropriate involvement by the Leader of the Opposition’s Office (LOTO) and others in the 70 files looked at." is pretty damning, but it is only the widely discredited comments of the "whistleblowers" that tells us what form this intervention took. Between this and your "all of the payouts" being a single court settlement of which no one knows the true value suggests you're not approaching this dispassionately at all, rather desperately trying to make your "the left hates Labour" remark anything other than objectively silly, at least until they got purged, taking Labour's ground game with them. That's before any discussion of the objectivity of the EHRC, which is highly questionable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 The left are hardly getting behind Labour and trying to help Starmer oust the Tories. Pinnochio emojis you would imagine coming from the Tories, but no... On the antisemitism issue, I'm not re-treading the old ground of who said what, when and so on. That dragged Corbyn's leadership down and sink it like a battleship. He couldn't clearly announce anything because the news was always filled with stories about this issue. All the stuff about individual policies being popular was lost in that white noise. The issue I was addressing was the funding shortage in Labour caused by a few things, including a hefty payout, loss of union income because of that payout, and the loss of seats. Add to that loss of members (between 10% and 20%) as the lefties who joined for Corbyn left. The Labour party (by membership) is still over twice the size of the Tories. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Momentum should be attacking the leadership for abandoning the pledges which got them elected especially when they’re popular and good policies and even more so when we’re years away from Labour’s poll lead actually meaning anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Momentum should be attacking the leadership for abandoning the pledges which got them elected especially when they’re popular and good policies and even more so when we’re years away from Labour’s poll lead actually meaning anything. I always wonder where YouGov find all these swing voters. Every election in Europe and the USA is basically gridlocked and defined by turnout but YouGov manage to find relatively large numbers of swing voters on a regular basis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Did you recently vote to cut money for the poor? Did you recently vote to make voting harder for the poor? Then welcome to the labour party 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Normal politics on Normal Island has returned. Nature is healing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Reading the Wiki entry for MPs defecting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politicians_who_have_changed_party_affiliation#1987–1992_Parliament No-one has really defected to the Conservative Party sinced Reg Prentice in 1977. Some amazing defection action in 2019 with a load of Labour MPs going to Change UK, then to Independent, then to The Independents. Some interesting reasons for defections. Quote Suspended from party over anti-semitic social media posts Quote Suspended after "working with Labour and other opposition MPs for his own advantage" Quote Lost whip and suspended from Parliament for six weeks after an independent panel found he sexually harassed a member of his staff Quote Whip withdrawn after being charged with sexual assault on a 15-year old boy Quote Suspended following sexting controversy Quote Suspended from party after failing to declare visits to Sri Lanka Quote Whip suspended over misconduct for telling a joke which alluded to the recent death of 23 illegal immigrant Chinese cockle-pickers in Morecambe Bay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Back to the 1950s and 60s for proper politics. Quote Resigned whip over policy on salmon fishing industry. The whip was restored on 15 November 1963. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Seemingly this boy co-sponsored a bill in 2020 to make it compulsory that a by election gets called if an mp resigns from there party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Actual Tories are welcome in the Labour Party but not Jeremy Corbyn or Ken Loach. Make sure you give your backing though and STFU. Edited January 19, 2022 by NotThePars 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I appreciate that this is wildly off topic but the Morecombe Bay expulstion was Ann WInterton, Tory MP for Congleton. Here are the contents on her wiki page, amazing 1980s/90s Tory energy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: Reading the Wiki entry for MPs defecting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politicians_who_have_changed_party_affiliation#1987–1992_Parliament No-one has really defected to the Conservative Party sinced Reg Prentice in 1977. Some amazing defection action in 2019 with a load of Labour MPs going to Change UK, then to Independent, then to The Independents. Some interesting reasons for defections. All of those could be Eric Joyce 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, ICTChris said: Reading the Wiki entry for MPs defecting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_British_politicians_who_have_changed_party_affiliation#1987–1992_Parliament No-one has really defected to the Conservative Party sinced Reg Prentice in 1977. Some amazing defection action in 2019 with a load of Labour MPs going to Change UK, then to Independent, then to The Independents. Some interesting reasons for defections. Which one was Shaun Woodward? Think he went on to be a minister. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Which one was Shaun Woodward? Think he went on to be a minister. He left in 99, he supported repealing Section 28 so William Hague sacked him. His daughter is the food blogger and ‘influencer’ Ella Woodward, aka Deliciously Ella. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The guy only won by 402 votes at the last election If Labour are not confident they could have turned that around then they’re in a lot more trouble that suspected 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 A lot is made of the tensions between the Westminster Tories and their Scottish Brethren but I couldn't help thinking yesterday that the defecting MP's decision to wear a vivid union flag face mask might not have played tremendously well up here for a party desperate to restore its position in Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On 19/01/2022 at 13:58, NotThePars said: Actual Tories are welcome in the Labour Party but not Jeremy Corbyn or Ken Loach. Make sure you give your backing though and STFU. Corbyn should very much be allowed back in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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