D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Is this on iplayer ? Wonder how they'll present the Gillian Duffy "that bigoted woman" stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Tommy Carcetti said: Is this on iplayer ? Wonder how they'll present the Gillian Duffy "that bigoted woman" stuff. All episodes on iplayer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapelhall chap Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 42 minutes ago, Tommy Carcetti said: Is this on iplayer ? Wonder how they'll present the Gillian Duffy "that bigoted woman" stuff. Having watched episode 5, I thought that 2010 election "they're all flocking over here" moment was likely to be shown but they saved his blushes? It was certainly shown in some other stuff a few years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 On 14/10/2021 at 22:37, virginton said: They quite clearly weren't though, as Labour waltzed to another term under Blair in 2005 over the fresh corpses of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The Tories (as usual) made Blair look like a lentil-munching, hippy pacifist in their support for the war, so it wasn't an issue that actually swung opinion towards the opposition - which is where elections are won and lost. What many left of centre people might hope caused New Labour's downfall bears no relation to the actual decisive factor: the global economic meltdown that was bound to punt a tired, shit, mumbleclown incumbent into the bin. Unless you argue that the US deficit splurge on Iraq actually caused that financial crisis, then Brown would have been defeated regardless. True, although the same would have happened to Blair. They were already shedding votes and seats (as they did in 2005). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 They would certainly have lost ground regardless, but replacing your (unpopular) leader with a distrustful weirdo with Myra Hindley's PR training did not help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Detournement said: If Brown had called the early election at the beginning of 2008 things would be very different today. Osbornomics were a total disaster and have basically crippled us as a nation. Btown clearly isn't a psychopath like Blair but he kept his head down in 2002-3 when he should have been brave enough to follow the lead of Robin Cook. I seem to recollect him saying on several occasions that he would have taken the exact same action as Blair embarked on. There was, and still is, that school of thought across the political divide, that the US is our most important ally and must be supported no matter what kind of shitfest they choose to get involved in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 I felt slightly sorry for Gordon Brown on that one. The horrible old bag was indeed a bigoted woman Yes, unpopular opinions for this pish etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 hours ago, tamthebam said: I felt slightly sorry for Gordon Brown on that one. The horrible old bag was indeed a bigoted woman Yes, unpopular opinions for this pish etc No he was quite right she was a bigot and rather than chase his arse up and down the country to apologise to the horrible old bag he should have stuck to his guns. This single act of cowardice went a long way to mainstream the othering of migrants, made him look too weak to be PM for the right of the electorate and a craven principle free tube to the left. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 This could've all been averted if, when asked, "where are all these Eastern Europeans coming from eh?" Gordon Brown had answered "Eastern Europe." The answer is in the question Gordo. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Recording him while he was in his car driving away having forgotten to hand back his mike, and then releasing the tape was low. Though I suppose any news organisation would do the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 This could've all been averted if, when asked, "where are all these Eastern Europeans coming from eh?" Gordon Brown had answered "Eastern Europe." The answer is in the question Gordo.Or smacked her in the chops like 2 Jabs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Recording him while he was in his car driving away having forgotten to hand back his mike, and then releasing the tape was low. Though I suppose any news organisation would do the same.He should have apologised for not pulling up the racist old bitch when she challenged him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: This could've all been averted if, when asked, "where are all these Eastern Europeans coming from eh?" Gordon Brown had answered "Eastern Europe." The answer is in the question Gordo. Or smacked her in the chops like 2 Jabs? You have to laugh on reflection that someone decided it was a good idea to get up close and pelt a former boxer. Those were some fast hands from Prescott and fair play to him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 18:50, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: All episodes on iplayer. I'm on episode four and I've stopped it as I'm staggered by Brown and him saying that he didn't have enough information to consider not supporting Blair in going to war. What astonishing weakness from the self styled Iron Chancellor. There's something about Blair that is deeply creepy but for the likes of Brown and Jack Shaw to dive to similar depths is something that is really quite distressing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, sophia said: I'm on episode four and I've stopped it as I'm staggered by Brown and him saying that he didn't have enough information to consider not supporting Blair in going to war. What astonishing weakness from the self styled Iron Chancellor. There's something about Blair that is deeply creepy but for the likes of Brown and Jack Shaw to dive to similar depths is something that is really quite distressing. Don't know why you switched it off. More than enough evidence in that one programme to have the out and out liar to be hauled before the court of The Hague to answer charges of war crimes. Edited October 17, 2021 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Don't know why you switched it off. More than enough evidence in that one programme to have the out and out liar to be hauled before the court of The Hague to answer charges of war crimes. Which one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 8 hours ago, NotThePars said: You have to laugh on reflection that someone decided it was a good idea to get up close and pelt a former boxer. Those were some fast hands from Prescott and fair play to him. IIRC the guy had a mullet and that was reason enough for Two Jags to smack him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Not a fan of Lord Prescott, but he certainly didn't deserve much criticism for reflexively sticking one on some p***k who'd just assaulted him. I think we can agree that the press coverage of that would be substantially different today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Not a fan of Lord Prescott, but he certainly didn't deserve much criticism for reflexively sticking one on some p***k who'd just assaulted him. I think we can agree that the press coverage of that would be substantially different today.Didn't his popularity go up after that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Didn't his popularity go up after that? Most folk didn't seem to think he did much wrong, and it certainly didn't do his image any harm with the public. The press were split between finding it amusing, and gurning about the leftie oaf engaging his fists before his brain. They'd be hailing him as a hero now. Well, as much as they could bear to hail a leftie oaf as a hero, at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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