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The traditional Labour core vote in Scotland is being replaced demographically and almost nobody is joining their ranks from below. It's the Boomer Party of choice for the Central Belt in the way that the Tories are south of the border, only with much shorter life expectancy kicking in.

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11 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Shite Chancellor, worse PM, proven liar and not nice person.  No redeeming qualities whatsoever as a human being.

Oh, I dunno. A few years of him in the top jobs helped to kill the NL project stone dead. Until the current "leader" and his wee cabal resurrected it. 

Still doesn't give a positive balance in the Scales of Worthwhilehumanbeingness, though.

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11 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

At the risk of oversimplification, who are Labour going to take votes from?

LibDem voters are strange folk, they know their party has zero chance of having any influence but still keep voting for them.

Tories are Tories, they generally support the position of Johnson now that the Conservatives have shed any pretence of one-nationism.  They will never exceed more than about 20% of the Scottish electorate, but equally won’t fall much below that.

I cannot see how the Labour Party can inspire first time voters.

That leaves ‘traditional’ Labour voters, most of whom have long abandoned Labour and more yet who are realising that the only way to avoid Tory after Tory rule is to support Independence.

 

The worst of it is that these cúnts get a lot of votes from people whose interests they actively attack. "Working Class Tory" may have been a description of aspirational council-house buyers back in the day, now it's just a synonym for "fucking servile idiot". 

If the 2017/19 Labour Manifestos* can't flush these turds, because Corbyn was a commie/beardie/russian tool**, then Starmer's Tory Tribute act isn't going to shift them. As someone once said, offer the voter a choice of two Tory parties, don't be surprised if they choose the real one. 

* You know, the actual policies..

** Even if half the shit thrown at him by the MSM was 10% true, he could be replaced. But hey, that's Universal Suffrage for you..

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1 hour ago, Pato said:

Having no luck finding it now but apparently Labour in Hartlepool pay their campaign staff and are sacking them all tomorrow haha

Surely, after today, win or lose, there's no campaign to staff? I thought you were quite bright, Mixu.

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1 hour ago, Pato said:

I think they ordinarily keep a bunch of people on retainer to bus around to campaign in various elections but because of the lack of money coming in this year they have told them all they're getting the sack the day after which I'm sure has had an effect on the zeal with which they do the job. I woulda thought it was better to have a strong local team of volunteers mind you.

Yeah, you would think so, and I've been a member of several teams in both my own and neighbouring constituencies over the years. If the way our CLP and our elected officers have been treated is any indicator, mind, that won't be a given either. How the f**k do you get people, especially young people, to get on the doorstop and enthuse about Starmer's vision? 

..and that's probably the only time you'll see the words "Starmer" and "vision" in the same sentence. I've given him a year, and he's entirely, fully, absolutely useless. While Johnson's poor decision making rfesulted in massive death tolls and a screwed economy, Starmer has managed to piss away hundreds of thousands of members while putting the Party in a position where, if a GE were held tomorrow, we'd probably lose another couple of dozen seats at a minimum. He stands for fúck all, and by failing to actually oppose the Tories he's killed any chance of a future my kids and grandkids might have had - as well as rendering any chance of Labour (i.e. a Party for the workers) ever has of regaining relevance. Not power, just relevance. I'm realistic enough to see that I'm going to die under a continuation of these cúnts - the Cabinet will probably be half-full of Rees-fucking-Moggs by the time I go. 

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5 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Yeah, you would think so, and I've been a member of several teams in both my own and neighbouring constituencies over the years. If the way our CLP and our elected officers have been treated is any indicator, mind, that won't be a given either. How the f**k do you get people, especially young people, to get on the doorstop and enthuse about Starmer's vision? 

That's the contradiction for Labour. They can only grow the vote - as Corbyn did before Brexit took over - by having the left as the public face of the party. But that's completely unacceptable to the individuals and organisations that fund Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc. So they are stuck doing phony politics that no one is interested in. 

The Labour Right also seem to have accepted that legitimate politics need Establishment/Tory approval so even a former DPP, Knight of The Realm and  Trilateral Commission member somehow allows himself to be disciplined by no mark journalists and fringe Tories rather than going on the offensive.

 

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5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

That's the contradiction for Labour. They can only grow the vote - as Corbyn did before Brexit took over - by having the left as the public face of the party. But that's completely unacceptable to the individuals and organisations that fund Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc. So they are stuck doing phony politics that no one is interested in. 

The Labour Right also seem to have accepted that legitimate politics need Establishment/Tory approval so even a former DPP, Knight of The Realm and  Trilateral Commission member somehow allows himself to be disciplined by no mark journalists and fringe Tories rather than going on the offensive.

 

I watched an interview with Starmer earlier this week and I was struck by his demeanor and obvious lack of self-belief.  If the leader of the Labour Party can't convince himself then what signal does that send to voters ?

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5 hours ago, mizfit said:

I’ve just clocked the Perthshire south Labour candidate has little online presence.
 

In SNP-Tory marginals Labour run paper candidates. One might suspect they want their voters to vote Tory.

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14 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

At the risk of oversimplification, who are Labour going to take votes from?

 

I think their aim in this election campaign has been "vote for us if you oppose independence and you're not a khunt."

Which is fair enough. 

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14 hours ago, Saltire said:

 

15 hours ago, Lurkst said:

Yeah hard to tell who Tom's party is these days. 

Noticed on the news the clunking fist was also unleashed from cold storage....

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reminded me of Nicolae Ceaucescu's last speech

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22 minutes ago, GordonS said:

I think their aim in this election campaign has been "vote for us if you oppose independence and you're not a khunt."

Which is fair enough. 

If you oppose Independence you are a khunt by definition.

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1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

If you oppose Independence you are a khunt by definition.

I may be wrong, but isn't Scotland the only Nation ever to be offered its independence and said, "Nah, ye're alright"? Note - offered the choice of independence, no need for the massive damage an armed rebellion would have caused, like many other countries have undergone for the prize of self-determination. 

Renton was right - in fact he was maybe a bit too diplomatic. 

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10 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

I may be wrong, but isn't Scotland the only Nation ever to be offered its independence and said, "Nah, ye're alright"? Note - offered the choice of independence, no need for the massive damage an armed rebellion would have caused, like many other countries have undergone for the prize of self-determination. 

Renton was right - in fact he was maybe a bit too diplomatic. 

Quebec and New Caledonia

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45 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

The Times have these melts routed already.

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They’re right though.  Starmer must move Labour further to the right; maybe even past the Tories.

Then the Tories can retaliate by moving even further right, the Labour...

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They’re right though.  Starmer must move Labour further to the right; maybe even past the Tories.
Then the Tories can retaliate by moving even further right, the Labour...
I still can't believe the change in Angela Rayner. I actually had her down as a potential deputy to RLB.Seems the position is more important to her than any socialist vision ever was. A massive disappointment, and even as a wizened old cynic, I feel betrayed. She could have been part of something wonderful, and sold her soul for five minutes carrying that cűnt's bag.
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