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56 minutes ago, Sir Tarmo Kink said:

If the new leader (whoever it may be) can make Labour a legitimate option rather than just ‘not the Tories’ which Corbyn and Miliband ran by, then they’ll have already done well.

Could be extremist Lisa Nandy who want's to quash the Indy movement by using police brutality as a means to an end.

 
 
I don’t recognise Labour Party anymore. Lisa Nandy saying we should treat Scotland as divisive nationalism and should look to other countries for solutions, like Catalonia
 
. Wtf? We send in troops to brutalise Scottish citizens? Like this
 
. #NandyIsADisgrace #Resign

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3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Charitably she's just not paid attention to Catalonia and assumed it was all above board as opposed to all of the above plus not treating tuberculosis of prisoners and judges mouthing the desired answers to witnesses during their trial.

Actually having read that back there's no excuse, f**k Lisa Nandy.

Aye, f**k all charitable. She's an abhorrent boot. 

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I thought Nandy might have been misquoted or taken out of context, but here's the relevant transcript. Social justice = batons, boots and internment? Still the right person for the job though as I've a couple of big bets on her.

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AN: It’s hard to see a route back for your party without a revival in Scotland. You proposed setting up an international commission to look for historical examples of how nationalism has been beaten by social justice, what are you talking about?

LN: You sound really confused by this.

AN: I am.

LN: And I’m surprised. Because you surely must have been watching as socialists have been beaten over and over again by nationalists. And the idea that we have all the answers in the Labour Party, I’m sorry, there isn't a single person who believes that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying that rather than turn inwards and argue about resources we should look outwards to other countries and other parts of the world, where they’ve had to deal with divisive nationalism and seek to discover the lessons from when in those brief moments in history in places like Catalonia and Quebec we have managed to go and beat narrow, divisive nationalism with a social justice agenda.

AN: But the Scottish nationalists will tell you that they believe their kind of nationalism, which isn't a hard right nationalism, their kind of nationalism goes hand in hand with social justice.

LN: Well, I think it suits the Scottish nationalists actually to keep this argument going about independence. Because while the entire conversation in Scotland is focussed on the constitution, nobody is paying attention to their record, which is frankly appalling.

AN: Would you oppose or support another referendum?

LN: On?

AN: Independence?

LN: No, I don’t support another referendum on independence. And I think I’ve been fairly consistent about that, whether it’s Brexit or the Scottish independence referendum. I think once you ask people to decide and they make a decision the job then is to pull together. And frankly, to be honest, I think this country has had enough of referendums. 

AN: Even if the SNP won a majority in Holyrood in 2021?

LN: No, I think the job actually now is to pull together as a nation and start dealing with the challenges we face. And under this Tory government, my God, there are going to be lots.
 

 

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It's an interesting window into the mind of someone who is deep into Labour. They seem to genuinely think they're fighting fascism when they talk about these movements.
Sir Starmer was championing socialism in one of the papers today. Can't remember exactly which one but it was on Adam Boultons Sky politics show this morning. Anyway socialist claim to fame was that he marched against the Iraq war and opposed Brexit.
Think he really needs to up his game
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2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Sir Starmer was championing socialism in one of the papers today. Can't remember exactly which one but it was on Adam Boultons Sky politics show this morning. Anyway socialist claim to fame was that he marched against the Iraq war and opposed Brexit.
Think he really needs to up his game

Starmers background is fairly solidly of public service.   Quite a lot of Long Bailey's background is aspiration, self service, and politics. 

As far as England is concerned, a decent ticket in an election would be Starmer as leader, and Long Bailey as deputy. 

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2 hours ago, beefybake said:

Starmers background is fairly solidly of public service.   Quite a lot of Long Bailey's background is aspiration, self service, and politics. 

As far as England is concerned, a decent ticket in an election would be Starmer as leader, and Long Bailey as deputy. 

Deputy is set up for Ian Murray ... Mega lol

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Nope they are taking advice from those have been getting gubbed and then keep saying "we will listen to the voters" then ignore what is being said and then using the same tactics again thinking "its bound to work this time" then its back to "we will listen to the voters" and repeat
Its truly stunning

Are there any Labour candidates who aren’t going down the pish “2014, said no, once in a generation” route? Ones that might win I mean?
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I never thought the Labour Party that elected and re-elected Corbyn would elect Starmer, looks like I was wrong.

I wonder how long it will  be before he abandons all these fundamental socialist principles he claims to uphold.

If (when) he wins I think he will be head and shoulders above any of the other candidates come PMQs.  

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I thought Emily Thornberry's comments on Johnson, should allow her leadership bid to be taken seriously. She genuinely does not like the guy, and certainly wouldn't give him any peace.

 

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Emily Thornberry described Boris Johnson as a "callous liar" who has a "woman problem" in a furious rant during the Labour leadership hustings.The shadow foreign secretary said: "He is in the end a liar; he's callous - he doesn't care. He plays at politics; he plays with people's lives. 

"He needs to be held to account."

Ms Thornberry, who was Mr Johnson's opposition when he was foreign secretary, added that he has a "woman problem". "He certainly has a problem with me," she said. 

As the crowd began to react to her comments, she continued: "And I want to take him on again as leader of the opposition.

"Because that prime minister needs to be exposed."

She added that he was "the single worst foreign secretary the country has ever had" and that he "didn't like it" when she challenged him. 

 

"Plays at politics, he plays with people's lives"

Sums the c**t up perfectly.

 

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Nope they are taking advice from those have been getting gubbed and then keep saying "we will listen to the voters" then ignore what is being said and then using the same tactics again thinking "its bound to work this time" then its back to "we will listen to the voters" and repeat
Its truly stunning

Are there any Labour candidates who aren’t going down the pish “2014, said no, once in a generation” route? Ones that might win I mean?


Long-Bailey is in contention and AFAIK has said if Scotland wants another referendum then she wouldn’t oppose it.
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Labour leader candidates at the hustings falling into the trap of discussing anti-Semitism in the party as if it’s a massive issue.  Thick as pigs shit approach. 

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37 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Labour leader candidates at the hustings falling into the trap of discussing anti-Semitism in the party as if it’s a massive issue.  Thick as pigs shit approach. 

 

If they didn't acknowledge or discuss it, it soon would become a massive issue.

Difficult to see how they can make it go away.

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If Phillips wasn’t such a narcissist then I would believe that she was being paid by the Starmer campaign to attack the left. All of her snidey comments were aimed squarely at Long-Bailey.

There’s still a while to go but it’s apparent that most of the people running had prepared their leadership campaigns months ago whereas Long-Bailey didn’t. Hopefully Zarbs-Cousins rejuvenates the PR campaign and goes on the offensive soon.

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2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

If Phillips wasn’t such a narcissist then I would believe that she was being paid by the Starmer campaign to attack the left. All of her snidey comments were aimed squarely at Long-Bailey.

There’s still a while to go but it’s apparent that most of the people running had prepared their leadership campaigns months ago whereas Long-Bailey didn’t. Hopefully Zarbs-Cousins rejuvenates the PR campaign and goes on the offensive soon.

yass! Slay, queen

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