Sir Tarmo Kink Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Oh he will. Even his close mate John McDonnell has said he would have to resign if they lose the election. He has been a repeated failure and hasn’t resigned when many would have. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays on, WHEN they lose the election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He has been a repeated failure and hasn’t resigned when many would have. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays on, WHEN they lose the election. I don't think he's been a repeated failure. 2017 shocked a lot of people, and proved that he was much more popular than anyone in the media was predicting. He's been attacked from quite a few different angles, including from within his own party. He's not a great leader by any stretch but his party are offering radical change in Britain, and change that is needed. Hopefully he's put in place enough people with his ideas to ensure the next leader doesn't just go back to blairite light blue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said: He has been a repeated failure and hasn’t resigned when many would have. I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays on, WHEN they lose the election. Repeated failure. Lol He's on his third Tory leader, got a huge vote total in 2017 and has up until now blocked a Tory Brexit. He has also completely shifted the Overton window and proven the popularity of anti war politics. Shite opposition leaders are Kinnock, Hague, Howard, IDS and sadly Ed Milliband. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tarmo Kink Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Repeated failure. Lol He's on his third Tory leader, got a huge vote total in 2017 and has up until now blocked a Tory Brexit. He has also completely shifted the Overton window and proven the popularity of anti war politics. Shite opposition leaders are Kinnock, Hague, Howard, IDS and sadly Ed Milliband. Too easy H_B [emoji38] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placida Domingo Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Repeated failure. Lol He's on his third Tory leader, got a huge vote total in 2017 and has up until now blocked a Tory Brexit. He has also completely shifted the Overton window and proven the popularity of anti war politics. Shite opposition leaders are Kinnock, Hague, Howard, IDS and sadly Ed Milliband. He's about to lose his second election in a row to the worst Tory government of all time though isn't he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 22/11/2019 at 07:30, SweeperDee said: Yeah, well, pretty face and all that... You were looking at her face? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, pandarilla said: 2017 shocked a lot of people, and proved that he was much more popular than anyone in the media was predicting. May's campaign was built around her popularity and she immediately imploded as the "Maybot". It is widely regarded as one of the worst campaigns by a major party in UK wide elections. There was virtually no one else on the remain side to pick up votes, so he had nearly half the country in terms of Brexit. He also had fear of a Tory government that was widely disliked on his side. And he still lost, and here is another Cool-Aid drinker trying to paint it as a great and glorious victory for his personality. He has literally recorded the lowest approval rating of an opposition leader in the history of polling. There are other very significant issues around him and his clique that continue to plague him. I do not think he has ever outpolled the Labour Party as a whole in other words its loyalty to Labour and fear of the Tories that keeps them from imploding, not magical grandpas super star personality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 May's campaign was built around her popularity and she immediately imploded as the "Maybot". It is widely regarded as one of the worst campaigns by a major party in UK wide elections. There was virtually no one else on the remain side to pick up votes, so he had nearly half the country in terms of Brexit. He also had fear of a Tory government that was widely disliked on his side. And he still lost, and here is another Cool-Aid drinker trying to paint it as a great and glorious victory for his personality. He has literally recorded the lowest approval rating of an opposition leader in the history of polling. There are other very significant issues around him and his clique that continue to plague him. I do not think he has ever outpolled the Labour Party as a whole in other words its loyalty to Labour and fear of the Tories that keeps them from imploding, not magical grandpas super star personality. If you think the post below shows me as a "cool aid drinker" for Corbyn then you're not half as smart as you think you are. Get a grip of yourself. Corbyn is not a strong leader and there have been clear tactical errors but the sheer weight of opposition he has faced is massive, and you pay it no attention whatever. That makes you an incredibly biased source on this topic. He has restructured the party quite substantially in favour of the membership and only time will tell whether these changes will last (and can be galvanized by a more charismatic leader) or whether they will be overturned in the event of his departure. I don't think he's been a repeated failure. 2017 shocked a lot of people, and proved that he was much more popular than anyone in the media was predicting. He's been attacked from quite a few different angles, including from within his own party. He's not a great leader by any stretch but his party are offering radical change in Britain, and change that is needed. Hopefully he's put in place enough people with his ideas to ensure the next leader doesn't just go back to blairite light blue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pack Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The Jew hater refusing to apologise again tonight for his party’s vile agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Whose alias is this, absolutely desperate for attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Well that was the end of any shred of a chance of Corbyn gaining power. What an absolutely abysmal performance. Repeatedly not answering the questions and at several points insisting that he wanted to answer a different question from the one posed. When he DID answer, his responses were embarrassingly weak.You know he was terrible when the Guardian can’t even spin it in his direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Salma Yaqoob is Momentums pick to run for Mayor of the Westmidlands (Labour has not finalised its candidate yet). But she and Corbyn seem to be out campaigning together. So the former leader of RESPECT is now happy in Labour and Labour is happy with her. Other than the obvious issue she will have form on, here is current Labour MP on the kind of campaign she ran in Bradford West in 2017 Quick quote from her: "It does seem fair to say that Ms Yaqoob chose to make the wearing of the hijab an issue in the election - and presented the fact that she wears one, and Ms Shah doesn’t, as a reason to vote for her." No doubt Shah is a Zionist\neoliberal\Blairite plant (delete as appropriate). Of course the previous leader of RESPECT did not take well to losing to Naz Shah The clouds gather. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Galloway is an antisemitic arsehole - unlike Corbyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Galloway is an antisemitic arsehole - unlike Corbyn.Yeah, I don’t feel sufficiently educated to comment too much on the anti semitism row but Galloway is an unashamed anti Semite it seems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Where now? It seems pretty clear that England won't vote for social democracy so what do they do? Their members still want that, so a centre-left leader seems unlikely, will things change once the first step of Brexit happens? Been fucked for years. The only way a "Labour" government will be elected is a Blair style effort enacting Tory policies with higher welfare for the plebs. Sad but true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Where now? It seems pretty clear that England won't vote for social democracy so what do they do? Their members still want that, so a centre-left leader seems unlikely, will things change once the first step of Brexit happens? The policies won't change. There is no way to get a manifesto through the conference that says we won't deal with climate change, we won't deal with inequality, we won't deal with the housing crisis etc. The way forward is to hope Brexit happening leads to a more traditional class alignment in 2024. Whoever takes over needs to enforce more discipline than Jez. You can't deal with the likes of bad faith Blairites like Campbell and Mandelson or genuine fools like Thornberry by being reasonable. Boris kicked his wreckers out and no one cared, Labour needs to do the same. Edited December 13, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Labour were all over the place. Pitched as 'radical' but still pro Trident, still sent troughers to the House of Lords, pro-Union and had no discernible position on either Brexit or Indyref2. It's not just the ideas - I support some of them like nationalising the railways - but it's the calibre of the personnel. Richard Leonard is fckn woeful as is James Kelly, Jackie Baillie and Iain Gray. They'd do well to support Indyref2 and independence, or at least a free vote and then reorganise themselves in a new independent Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Detournement said: The policies won't change. There is no way to get a manifesto through the conference that says we won't deal with climate change, we won't deal with inequality, we won't deal with the housing crisis etc. The way forward is to hope Brexit happening leads to a more traditional class alignment in 2024. Whoever takes over needs to enforce more discipline than Jez. You can't deal with the likes of bad faith Blairites like Campbell and Mandelson or genuine fools like Thornberry by being reasonable. Boris kicked his wreckers out and no one cared, Labour needs to do the same. They absolutely fucked it through Corbyn's obvious ambivalence to Brexit and a set of spending plans that were 10 times as radical as they needed to be. The question of affordability was hanging right throughthe campaign. If they'd indicated that they'd be a bit quicker on becoming carbon neutral, in favour of some nationalisation (railways) and shown willingness to create a safety net whilst universal credit was replaced they might have secured a bit more "soft left" support. They were always going to get the support of the Corbyn fan club anyway. And, they could have easily explained it as a need to look at the books before pushing any further. But mostly, England shat it from Corbyn and McDonnell whilst Scotland had already moved on. It'll be 20 years before they're back. They're in a worse state than in 1983, they don't have quality like Smith (or even Kinnock), they don't have 40+ seats guaranteed from Scotland and England has shifted seismically to the right. Time Scottish Labour got on the indy bus. But they won't. Too busy hating the SNP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The Labour party that had any credibility is back there in my childhood never to be seen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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