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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

I'm sure it's entirely a coincidence that Ian Austin has been appointed as the Government's Trade Envoy to Israel.

Beginning to see a pattern here.

"Former Labour MP John Woodcock has been appointed as special government envoy to tackle violent extremism."

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The choice to keep Jeremy Corbyn away from Downing Street, to stop him getting his hands on the levers of national security and defence has to be to vote Conservative in this election and that’s what I’ll be doing as well.

 

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

I'm sure it's entirely a coincidence that Ian Austin has been appointed as the Government's Trade Envoy to Israel.

 

In July 2019, he was appointed Prime Ministerial Trade Envoy to Israel. In September 2019, Austin used his speech in the emergency debate proposed by Jeremy Corbyn to criticise him. Labour MPs on the benches around him told him to "go sit somewhere else" in anger at his comments.

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I said on here some time ago that there are Labour MPs who are more loyal to Israel than to the Labour Party or their constituents.

They would rather have a pro-Zionist Tory in No 10 than a Labour PM who questioned Israel’s policies.

Some of them will not be Labour MPs after this election but, sadly, there will still be some who are.

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42 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I said on here some time ago that there are Labour MPs who are more loyal to Israel than to the Labour Party or their constituents.

Literally lifting a canard from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and simply adapting it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#Dual_loyalty

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A canard found in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but dating to before that document, is that Jews are more loyal to world Jewry than to their own country. Since the establishment of the state of Israel, this canard has taken the form of accusations that Jewish citizens of other countries are more loyal to Israel than to their country of residence.[92]

Austin was brought up in a Jewish household. 

How the f**k have we sunk to this. 

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What a f*cking shambles Labour are. 

Faced with the worst government in history, the deputy leader walks out 5 minutes before a General Election, and you have senior or ex-Labour ministers urging people to vote for a far-right liar who re-defines the word 'khunt', and who....given a majority.....will change the whole economic and social direction of the country.

F**k me. 

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13 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

Literally lifting a canard from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and simply adapting it. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#Dual_loyalty

Austin was brought up in a Jewish household. 

How the f**k have we sunk to this. 

Pro-Zionist Jews argue that criticising support for Israel is anti-Semitic.  I do not accept that this is anti-Semitic, but I do believe it is an attempt to minimise any criticism of Israel.

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4 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:


You also have people like Ken Clarke and Justine Greening telling people not to vote Tory but for some reason this isn't penetrating people's minds as much.

Tom Watson, Chris Williamson etc leaving is good news.

I'm not sure it's good news that Labour are shedding people that don't fit in with Corbyn's view of politics.

There's no electoral advantage to Labour to creep evermore leftwards.  They'll simply lose voters. 

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Just now, Granny Danger said:

Pro-Zionist Jews argue that criticising support for Israel is anti-Semitic.

You bag of  shit. 

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Labour MPs who are more loyal to Israel than to the Labour Party or their constituents.

You have virtually cut and pasted tropes from the Elders of the Protocols of Zion and from antisemetic crap like the Dearborn Independent and simply slapped "Labour" rather than the country. 

You are not "criticising Israel" you are using the "dual loyalty" antisemetic trope.

 British Muslims are more loyal to Pakistan, British blacks are more loyal to Africa? Unacceptable but British Jews and their supporters "more loyal to Israel".... 

 

There is no way to win this argument because so many of you see "Zionist" conspiracies all over the place, then scurry for cover of smirking and claiming you are only criticising Israel. 

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14 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I'm not sure it's good news that Labour are shedding people that don't fit in with Corbyn's view of politics.

There's no electoral advantage to Labour to creep evermore leftwards.  They'll simply lose voters. 

They will offer a genuine alternative.

People deserve a genuine broad spectrum of political parties to vote for; if we got rid of FPTP at Westminster then Parliament would be far more reflective of what people want.

6 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

You bag of  shit. 

You have virtually cut and pasted tropes from the Elders of the Protocols of Zion and from antisemetic crap like the Dearborn Independent and simply slapped "Labour" rather than the country. 

You are not "criticising Israel" you are using the "dual loyalty" antisemetic trope.

 British Muslims are more loyal to Pakistan, British blacks are more loyal to Africa? Unacceptable but British Jews and their supporters "more loyal to Israel".... 

 

There is no way to win this argument because so many of you see "Zionist" conspiracies all over the place, then scurry for cover of smirking and claiming you are only criticising Israel. 

No, I’m offering a genuine opinion.  Margaret Hodge is another who falls into this category.

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11 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

You bag of  shit. 

You have virtually cut and pasted tropes from the Elders of the Protocols of Zion and from antisemetic crap like the Dearborn Independent and simply slapped "Labour" rather than the country. 

You are not "criticising Israel" you are using the "dual loyalty" antisemetic trope.

 British Muslims are more loyal to Pakistan, British blacks are more loyal to Africa? Unacceptable but British Jews and their supporters "more loyal to Israel".... 

 

There is no way to win this argument because so many of you see "Zionist" conspiracies all over the place, then scurry for cover of smirking and claiming you are only criticising Israel. 

Get a grip. 

It isn't Zionist conspiracies, it is reality that many see critisism of Israel as being anti-semitic or purposely attempt to conflate the two issue to silence those that dare to be critical of a regime that is actively persuing policies of ethnic cleansing that puts the Balkans to shame.

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14 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

Shite about Jewish MPs, or indeed people, being "more loyal to Israel" is grim. It's a standard anti-Semitic trope and should be very easy to avoid using with the slightest effort. 

Not every Jewish MP is “more loyal to Israel” but some are and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with pointing it out.

More so when said MPs are putting these loyalties ahead of the political party they are a member of or the constituents they are supposed to represent.

 

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1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

They will offer a genuine alternative.

People deserve a genuine broad spectrum of political parties to vote for; if we got rid of FPTP at Westminster then Parliament would be far more reflective of what people want.

 

That's an interesting phrase. Are they a 'genuine alternative' though ?

I wonder these days what Labour supporters want. Do they want a genuine 'socialist' party, or do they want to form a government ? Because they can't have both. 

(I agree 100% with your FPTP statement). 

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1 hour ago, DrewDon said:

Shite about Jewish MPs, or indeed people, being "more loyal to Israel" is grim. It's a standard anti-Semitic trope and should be very easy to avoid using with the slightest effort. 

Is it impossible for a Jewish Labour MP to be more more loyal to Israel than the party?

The trope is that this applies to a large proportion of jews which is obviously anti semitic nonsense. That doesn't mean it applies to zero individuals.

 

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1 hour ago, DrewDon said:

Shite about Jewish MPs, or indeed people, being "more loyal to Israel" is grim. It's a standard anti-Semitic trope and should be very easy to avoid using with the slightest effort. 

Of course. Because the evidence of this isn't staring you right in the face.

Oh wait, yes it is....

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