welshbairn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: another referendum is hardly going to reunite the country And ignoring and doing the opposite of what the result of the first referendum demanded would? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: And ignoring and doing the opposite of what the result of the first referendum demanded would? Would that result have been the the same had the Yellowhammer documents been on display during the campaign rather than £350 Million a week for the NHS? Remember too, it was mainly England and Wales that voted to leave. Eta an alternative bottom line : Remember too, it was mainly the gullible English and Welsh that voted to leave. Edited September 23, 2019 by ICTJohnboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Honour the result, Norway wouldn't be too bad and it would be an informed choice, unlike last time. Are you against a second referendum?Norway is a terrible solution, would rather remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 28 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Honour the result, Norway wouldn't be too bad and it would be an informed choice, unlike last time. Are you against a second referendum? Norway is a terrible solution, would rather remain. Used to be Farage's favourite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, beefybake said: Disagree completely. You’re entitled to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 31 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Honour the result, Norway wouldn't be too bad and it would be an informed choice, unlike last time. Are you against a second referendum? Norway is a terrible solution, would rather remain. Remain is the best deal we can hope to emerge from this mess with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, Glenanover said: There should be no 2nd referendum on Europe or independence. The people voted. The results have to be accepted. At least Johnson is doing something about it. Hmmm...no point in being an idiot unless you can prove it I suppose. What a fucking stupid post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Powerful speech from McDonnell - I don't spend much time studying Labour's internal affairs these days, but it does strike me he would have been a much more effective leader than Corbyn. Having said that, who wouldn't have been? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Powerful speech from McDonnell - I don't spend much time studying Labour's internal affairs these days, but it does strike me he would have been a much more effective leader than Corbyn. Having said that, who wouldn't have been?Richard Leonard. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 If the unions force through the NEC position on Brexit I can foresee lots more grassroots members walking away. During elections it is the individual members not the union affiliated ones who do the majority of the legwork. Labour boasted about the huge upsurge in membership after Corbyn became leader but have been very quiet about the dwindling numbers in the past year or so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 If the unions force through the NEC position on Brexit I can foresee lots more grassroots members walking away. During elections it is the individual members not the union affiliated ones who do the majority of the legwork. Labour boasted about the huge upsurge in membership after Corbyn became leader but have been very quiet about the dwindling numbers in the past year or so. That was just people paying £3 to vote for Corbyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: If the unions force through the NEC position on Brexit I can foresee lots more grassroots members walking away. I don't think people are going to walk away because the party is officially neutral in a referendum. That would be highly stupid. Despite the fake Sunday Times stories they still have over half a million members. Edited September 23, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Detournement said: I don't think people are going to walk away because the party is officially neutral in a referendum. That would be highly stupid. Despite the fake Sunday Times stories they still have over half a million members. I don't read the Sunday Times. I do read, and pay for, the Observer. I can only say the Guardian, Observer views of Corbyn seem almost hysterical, one step removed from foaming at the mouth. Bearing in mind that the Guardian/Observer is a self described liberal newspaper, and the LD's are a completely discredited party, looks to me like Corbyn is doing just fine. Edited September 23, 2019 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, beefybake said: I don't read the Sunday Times. I do read, and pay for, the Observer. I can only say the Guardian, Observer views of Corbyn seem almost hysterical, one step removed from foaming at the mouth. Bearing in mind that the Guardian/Observer is a self described liberal newspaper, and the LD's are a completely discredited party, looks to me like Corbyn is doing just fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Well, we can all find a meme, if we can't make the argument. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, beefybake said: Well, we can all find a meme, if we can't make the argument. You’re right. I find it hard to argue with the assertion that “Corbyn is doing just fine”; that’s because it is going against all the evidence. I will be happy to revisit it with you following the next GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, beefybake said: I don't read the Sunday Times. I do read, and pay for, the Observer. I can only say the Guardian, Observer views of Corbyn seem almost hysterical, one step removed from foaming at the mouth. Bearing in mind that the Guardian/Observer is a self described liberal newspaper, and the LD's are a completely discredited party, looks to me like Corbyn is doing just fine. YouGov research has Labour polling in 3rd place behind the Tories and Lib Dems. Corbyn has Sevco'd it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, Cerberus said: YouGov research has Labour polling in 3rd place behind the Tories and Lib Dems. Corbyn has Sevco'd it. The polls are all over the place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenanover Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Hmmm...no point in being an idiot unless you can prove it I suppose. What a fucking stupid post. Your post certainly is fucking stupid. Idiot. Edited September 23, 2019 by Glenanover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Allo allo what have we here? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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