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48 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

But it is. They lost 3% of their councillors by being vague, the Tories lost 25% being brexity but bad at it.

 

Brexit Party will do tremendously at EU elex thanks to PR but will gut the Tory vote at a GE 10x as badly as Labour which lets Labour in under FPTP.

 

It's Felipe Scolari type tactics but it'll grind out a result. Not a majority but the Tories won't be in government, which is good enough for a lot of people.

 

But the 25% the Tories lost didn't go to Labour. The 1000+ seats their rival in a 2 horse race lost all went elsewhere, mostly to actual remain parties. That doesn't signal a Labour win in any upcoming GE for me. It was a disaster for Labour and yesterday coming out and doubling down on their "The people want Brexit" mantra has made it worse.

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3 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

They don't need to go to Labour, if Labour's strategy is by and large resilient, as it seems to be. Look what happened to the SNP in 2017, they lost a pile of seats not because their voters flipped to the tories in huge numbers, but because their supporters just didn't turn up for the SNP. Same thing'll happen for the tories in England at the next GE.

But they won't turn up for Labour either at this rate. 

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Don't forget the local elections down south left this result -

 

Tories 43%
Labour 24%
LibDems 15%
Independents 14%
Greens 3%
UKIP 0.3%

 

When was the last time an opposition ended up losing seats at what is effectively a mid-term popularity poll?

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53 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

Don't forget the local elections down south left this result -

 

Tories 43%
Labour 24%
LibDems 15%
Independents 14%
Greens 3%
UKIP 0.3%

 

When was the last time an opposition ended up losing seats at what is effectively a mid-term popularity poll?

Surprised by these numbers but it was hardly a random sample. No London for example.

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1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said:

You can only count the elections that actually happened though.

Aye, there's enough shite posted on this thread without "what ifs, and aye, buts".

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1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said:

You can only count the elections that actually happened though.

Yes, but the numbers don't translate to a UK wide poll, or even England wide. If you polled mainly Council estates you'd get Labour heading for a record landslide even when they're nationally polling at under 30%.

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9 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Yes, but the numbers don't translate to a UK wide poll, or even England wide. If you polled mainly Council estates you'd get Labour heading for a record landslide even when they're nationally polling at under 30%.

Would you? Consider Labour lost Hartlepool, Sunderland, Barnsley etc etc. With the exception of London, this is as random a selection of councils as you're going to get and both Labour & the Tories lost seats you'd think were rock solid.

 

My tuppence worth? By equivocating on Brexit, both Labour and the Tories fell between the two fences and ended up pleasing none of their supporters who either didn't turn out or voted for indys, greens and the LibDems as a protest. If either of them comes out strongly in/out they'll pick up votes. 

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49 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

So they were all offered an £800 pay rise and 5 non-back holidays over the Christmas period and they're calling for strike action?

Champagne is tasting a lot more like socialism these days. Tpm51f2.png

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10 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

I can’t wait for this c**t to be deselected/ to be fired into the sun.

 

Trying to get Loathsome elected by criticising her should be the duty of every Labour member. 

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