git-intae-thum Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Further. For the benefit of P&B 's resident left wing non educants......... Corbyn will be toast soon. No doubt about it. Perhaps ye can get behind independence again. Or hope for a left wing brexit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: I see Derek Hatton's been allowed back in. I remember Derek Hatton appearing on Question Time long ago. He got a rough time from the audience and other members of the panel. Eventually Robin Day felt sorry for him and threw him and easy one such as "do you think crime is wrong?" The obvious answer was Yes and he could then have talked about tax evasion and other criminal activity that goes unnoticed because it is rich people doing it. Instead he totally fluffed it and gained no sympathy from anyone. He was naturally combative and it was like he felt uncomfortable saying anything that even Tory voters might agree with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, NotThePars said: Thatcher was ideologically driven to be a complete stain on humanity. Theresa May and the current crop of conservatives seem to be viciously stupid and cruel. I can’t work out who I despise more. I suspect that in the long run, the effect that both will have on UK society will be the same. Thatcher's ideology deliberately destroyed manufacturing and weakened the fabric of British society. Brexit will have exactly the same consequences. Edited February 19, 2019 by Bob Mahelp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 17 hours ago, AUFC90 said: 19 hours ago, Londonwell said: I'm certainly not here to to stand up for Corbyn or the wider Labour party. Honesty in politics is very important too me, unfortunately there is very little of it at least at what I call the 'showpiece' level. Constituency offices across the country is where politics actually works for people. The only people that politics works for are politicians and their relatives. If you believe that ignorant view why are you on a politics sub forum discussing...politics? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 10 hours ago, sophia said: Don't be so presumbtuous. I well remember the outcomes, I suffered at the time and I'm comfortable that Scargill was as culpable as Thatcher. Left as guilty as right. Unions were defending working practices that included hammocks on the nightshift. They were literally defending the lazy left. Corbyn and May in a farce of history and at the edges of reputability both want to deliver brexit and you appear to support them in their endeavours. Wait a minute. A union person... Wanting hammocks for workers... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Also what the f**k is 'the lazy left'? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 If you believe that ignorant view why are you on a politics sub forum discussing...politics?Well I still vote mate. What do I lose the right to discuss just because I think they're all a bunch of charlatans ? Nae bother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: 57 minutes ago, Londonwell said: If you believe that ignorant view why are you on a politics sub forum discussing...politics? Well I still vote mate. What do I lose the right to discuss just because I think they're all a bunch of charlatans ? Nae bother. You have the same rights as anybody else. I'm just questioning your interest if you think none of it amounts to anything useful for people. I mean if you were on a crusade to 'change politics', then i would get it. But instead you think its all a load of shite that doesn't help anyone (which i'm sorry is a completely moronic and ignorant view), so why bother? Edited February 19, 2019 by Londonwell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Also what the f**k is 'the lazy left'? I well remember environments where it was perfectly acceptable to clock on for the night shift, do an hour or so of work and then sleep for majority of the shift. Such nonsense was endemic and those on the left that defended it were culpable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I well remember environments where it was perfectly acceptable to clock on for the night shift, do an hour or so of work and then sleep for majority of the shift. Such nonsense was endemic and those on the left that defended it were culpable.What exactly is wrong with that? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I assume Sophia is on a tea break, so not posting on here when she should be working. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, sophia said: I well remember environments where it was perfectly acceptable to clock on for the night shift, do an hour or so of work and then sleep for majority of the shift. Such nonsense was endemic and those on the left that defended it were culpable. Aren't you confusing the miners with the Fire and Rescue Service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, sophia said: I well remember environments where it was perfectly acceptable to clock on for the night shift, do an hour or so of work and then sleep for majority of the shift. Such nonsense was endemic and those on the left that defended it were culpable. So only folk who would be considered 'left wing' did this? Did their 'right wing' colleagues do all the work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 11 hours ago, jupe1407 said: I think it's quite hard to compare the relative cuntishness of the Tories of Thatcher's era, and the current bunch of vermin. I was in my early teens in Thatcher's heyday, but remember the almost continuous destruction of heavy industry. Every news programme seemed to being more bad news for the likes of British Steel, miners etc. The social housing sector has never truly recovered from Right to Buy and there are a whole host of other reasons to rejoice in her death. The current are dreadful. I know this is a biased viewpoint given my line of work, but the current Tory Party's ongoing programme of Welfare Reform is an utter disgrace. I've had cases of terminally ill folk having to attend a Work Capability Assessment, folk who are utterly on their arses phoning us to beg them to help appeal a Crisis Grant refusal, ridiculous numbers of foodbank referrals and that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's bad enough when you have an average caseload of 40-50 folk going through this shite, it's even more seethe inducing watching your own fiancee get a hard time from a Health "Professional" during a PIP assessment despite having an Acquired Brain Injury. I'd probably edge towards the modern day lot, for obvious reasons. I utterly despise Tory politicians, voters and any other apologists for them. They are complete and utter scum and deserve nothing but the greatest contempt. Jupe for PM. Well said brother. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, sophia said: I well remember environments where it was perfectly acceptable to clock on for the night shift, do an hour or so of work and then sleep for majority of the shift. Such nonsense was endemic and those on the left that defended it were culpable. Which pit did you work down Sophia? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: So only folk who would be considered 'left wing' did this? Did their 'right wing' colleagues do all the work? In the context of the chronically partisan environments that prevailed, unionised workforces indulged themselves and made it easy for Thatcher to visit her special formula on us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 There's a lot of hostility to this lot on here and on my Facebook. I don't find any of the seven particularly likeable, and imagine that I'd find a lot of disagree with them about politically, but I see their move as a significant blow to Corbyn and to Labour's current (lack of) stance on Brexit. For that reason I see this as quite a good thing, and hope that further defections/criticism will force either a change in direction over Brexit for Labour, or force Corbyn out. I get that might be over-simplistic though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moniton Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The forces of capital always try to keep the forces of labour under their heel, therefore we need to be partisan or accept being ground to dust. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Adamski said: There's a lot of hostility to this lot on here and on my Facebook. I don't find any of the seven particularly likeable, and imagine that I'd find a lot of disagree with them about politically, but I see their move as a significant blow to Corbyn and to Labour's current (lack of) stance on Brexit. For that reason I see this as quite a good thing, and hope that further defections/criticism will force either a change in direction over Brexit for Labour, or force Corbyn out. I get that might be over-simplistic though. We already have one right wing Conservative party and we don't really need another one, the point of Labour under Corbyn is that it has returned that party to it's rightful place in the political spectrum, hence the reason they had an upsurge in support and indeed membership since the so called "left" took back control. Personally I'm an SNP supporter and party member, however while I believe Corbyn to be pretty incompetent I'd still rather see a Labour party which stands for socialism, especially in these times of such extremes in wealth and wages that we are currently living through, otherwise there's no options for the ordinary working person who needs to see some sort of equality and change as opposed to looking forward to their next visit to the foodbank........... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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