Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rugster said: Thanks for confirming what I said. Considering the position of the Portuguese player's arm, outstretched and above should height, the three VAR and the match referee determined that the contact met the conditions of deliberate handball and awarded a penalty. The exact wording of a rule is a secondary concern. Graham Poll wrote this when the handball rules were last ammended Quote Regarding handball they now ask the referee to consider the proximity of the potential offender to the person last playing the ball, the speed of the ball and importantly whether the offender's arms are in a natural or unnatural position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeefc1783 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 That it is an unnatural position and making himself bigger so if it hits his arm it is a foul. Sorry hands raised when jumping to try to head the ball is an unnatural position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Lets not forget rugby is a game for people who think putting their dick in a friend's pint is 'a laugh'. Therefore, any comparisons with rugby are meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Referee completely failed to control that game even with VAR, Iran penalty was a gobsmackingly bad decision anmd surely you either show Ronald to the red card or dont book him if there was nothing in it. Poor ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, dundeefc1783 said: Sorry hands raised when jumping to try to head the ball is an unnatural position? Yes. The same correct decision was made in Denmark v Australia game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 The ref took 2 and a half minutes to make the call and Portugal took a minute and a half to make a sub. Only adding on 1 extra minute is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Also, that should never be a penalty and there needs to be some clarification on that rule. It should have been dismissed by var before it even got to the ref. How can 4 referees think that was a penalty unless they are interpreting the laws totally differently. He wasn't even looking at the ball ffs, how can it be deliberate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeefc1783 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Yes. The same correct decision was made in Denmark v Australia game. So where should his hands be when jumping for a header Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Arm is out above shoulder height... When the ball hits his arm his arm is horizontal, and his arm is moving downwards and away from the ball at the time. The position of the arm is only considered as it is an indication of whether the handball may have been deliberate or not. There is absolutely nothing there that suggests that was deliberate. He is jumping backwards, his arms are where you would expect them to be and the ball is headed against him from inches away behind his back. To give a penalty having seen a few replays is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Referee completely failed to control that game even with VAR, Iran penalty was a gobsmackingly bad decision anmd surely you either show Ronald to the red card or dont book him if there was nothing in it. Poor ref. But it’s not a case of violent contact or nothing, is it? The yellow card, I presume, was for unsporting behaviour rather than violent conduct. I don’t have any problem with the yellow card there. Otherwise I agree, but the Ronaldo thing he got spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Hamish Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Savage Henry said: But it’s not a case of violent contact or nothing, is it? The yellow card, I presume, was for unsporting behaviour rather than violent conduct. I don’t have any problem with the yellow card there. Otherwise I agree, but the Ronaldo thing he got spot on. If yer booking him for that, you book the Iran player as well as he was clearly trying to block Ronaldos run. The time taken to get tae that point was crazy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Considering the position of the Portuguese player's arm, outstretched and above should height, the three VAR and the match referee determined that the contact met the conditions of deliberate handball and awarded a penalty. The exact wording of a rule is a secondary concern. Graham Poll wrote this when the handball rules were last ammended Graham Poll can write what he wants. He doesn't make the laws of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, Rugster said: Graham Poll can write what he wants. He doesn't make the laws of the game. Didn't Graham Poll book the same player three times in a game? He can f**k off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McQueen Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, jupe1407 said: Didn't Graham Poll book the same player three times in a game? He can f**k off Croatia v Australia, josep Simunic. One of the bookings Simunic got was noted as for Australia because he was born there & has an Aussie accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, jupe1407 said: Didn't Graham Poll book the same player three times in a game? He can f**k off I vaguely recall pictures from an English league game at the start of the season following that world cup of fans mocking him with home made yellow cards with a 3 printed on them. I cannot remember if it was the premier league or championship off memory though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Someone hasn't watched rugby in years because all modern ruby games have devolved into players claiming and play acting for penalties. I watch as much rugby as football, which is to say an anti-social amount, and that's total and utter mince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 On reflection I think that's the worst penalty decision I've ever seen. Any ref can make a mistake in the heat of the moment, seeing the event at full speed from only one angle and only once. But for three eejits in a box to want to show it to the ref, plus the ref to see it a few times, and still give it, is stupefying. The guy's arm was at shoulder height, it wasn't between the ball or the attacking player and the goal, and the ball was headed down onto the arm from literally inches away. I hate to do the "if that's a penalty", but if that's a penalty then we're going to see attacking players aim for arms rather than the goal, which will be shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said: Lets not forget rugby is a game for people who think putting their dick in a friend's pint is 'a laugh'. Therefore, any comparisons with rugby are meaningless. Rugby is currently ahead of football on video replay decisions, advantage, the ten metre rule for backchat, penalty tries, player discipline, communication from referees to players during the game, diving, head injury assessments, live video and replays on the big screen, VAR/TMO decisions on the big screen so fans can see it and referee mics. Football is currently ahead on stereotyping the behaviour of others based on a minuscule minority that's rapidly being stamped out, in an incredible glasshouse-stones kinda way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Finally got a chance to see the highlights of this one. Portugal's indiscipline could be a serious problem for them if they don't keep it under control they won't go far, Ronaldo and maybe even Quaresma should have been off. The penalty call at the end was awful though, should not have been given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 7 hours ago, GordonS said: Rugby is shit. Football is incredible. FTfY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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