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Brig O'Lea

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1 minute ago, drs said:

The Linlithgow guy though wasn't really giving an accurate picture of the situation at Linlithgow though, there were plenty of fans and a significant portion of the committee who wanted to move. It took other teams moving to give them the final push but I think its unfair to say they moved as they felt they had no other choice.

I know it wasn't everyone, particularly from a fan perspective, but it's indicative of some of those on committees. The Bo'ness committee seems to have been similarly minded where they were split between pyramid or SJFA. A significant portion of a committee might be pro pyramid but a minority can still win out as its the status quo. It's a lot harder to change what you've always done.

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Don't think anyone's underestimating at this point. It's the same take they've had for over 5+ years now. Some of the clubs that moved to the EoS this year only did so because they felt they had no choice in it, that certainly the impression that the Linlithgow guy has given in the press.
The same's likely to happen in the West with the likes of Clydebank due to go, others will jump on board but not everyone.
All the top clubs will. It's inconceivable that any of the main Ayrshire clubs will apply without having discussed it informally between themselves.

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16 minutes ago, energyzone said:

All the top clubs will. It's inconceivable that any of the main Ayrshire clubs will apply without having discussed it informally between themselves.

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Guess it'll depend on how any tier 6 West of Scotland league is set up.

16 team West Premiership forms the league under the SJFA - it's what they apparently want but not necessarily what everyone else in the pyramid wants.

16 team West Premiership rebrands as the WoSFL and has to accept the idea that Cumbernauld Colts, BSC Glasgow and Edusport might get relegated into the league - some might not like that and opt to remain SJFA.

16 team WoSFL is formed by application and some West Premiership clubs miss out - those that miss out might be upset enough to remain SJFA or there are those that don't want to be in the same league as a Threave Rovers or Glasgow University and opt to remain SJFA.

Unknown number of clubs form a WoSFL and have a transitional season like EoS 2017/18 - we've seen some of the reactions to the EoS format this year, some might opt to remain SJFA.

It would also help to have the North of Tay issue resolved in some way when the WoS is announced. Otherwise any Ayrshire or Central clubs on the fence know that Tayside is still going to be there as Junior clubs. The SJFA remaining as Ayrshire, Central, Tayside, North and maybe a rump Fife & Lothian league, might sway enough old schoolers to stick with the "grade".

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None of the above options are likely to dissuade any interested West clubs from joining. They'll be well aware that there will be a form of compromise to take account of clubs already in the pyramid they wish to join. If a couple of bigger clubs go (and yesterday's vote suggests they will) then all the premier clubs will go too, whether they go into a top league or not the first season.

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25 minutes ago, energyzone said:

None of the above options are likely to dissuade any interested West clubs from joining. They'll be well aware that there will be a form of compromise to take account of clubs already in the pyramid they wish to join. If a couple of bigger clubs go (and yesterday's vote suggests they will) then all the premier clubs will go too, whether they go into a top league or not the first season.

It's not the interested ones I think could say no to a compromise. It's those only going along with the pyramid idea because "everyone else is doing it". The vast majority voted for the pyramid but still with no concept of what that will entail and its the details that could be enough for them say they're happy with being junior.

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SJFA West Region : Annual General Meeting
Wednesday, 27 June 2018
+  SJFA West Region : Management Meeting

What a shambles a month before season starts we don’t know what cups are being played for who will be general secretary although SR a shoe in now they taken fixtures of the job and created a fixtures secretary post and who is going to be fixtures secretary impossible for the guys who applied to go in there with a complete fixture timetable as they don’t know what cups are still being played
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1 minute ago, classof2010 said:


What a shambles a month before season starts we don’t know what cups are being played for who will be general secretary although SR a shoe in now they taken fixtures of the job and created a fixtures secretary post and who is going to be fixtures secretary impossible for the guys who applied to go in there with a complete fixture timetable as they don’t know what cups are still being played

Agreed. May be it is being sorted out at the Management Meeting programmed for the same night!

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Agreed. May be it is being sorted out at the Management Meeting programmed for the same night!

It shud of been sorted months ago it’s a disgrace nae wonder 121 clubs voted to join the pyramid I’d rather stay junior but the way the fans are being treated is abysmal
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55 minutes ago, classof2010 said:


It shud of been sorted months ago it’s a disgrace nae wonder 121 clubs voted to join the pyramid I’d rather stay junior but the way the fans are being treated is abysmal

The working group set up to look at revamping the cup competitions had to be given time to come up with proposals.

Hopefully they will be put before the clubs at the AGM, accepted then the fixtures can be arranged by the "new" fixtures Secretary whoever that may be.

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On 6/16/2018 at 18:48, lowenan said:

What else does the SJFA decide on the AGM?

It's mainly the usual stuff you get an any AGM.  President, Secretary and Treasurer reports.  Re-election of office bearers and committee.  Appointment of auditors.  Rules revisions like the updating of season dates.  Long service awards to club officials.  Any other business.

It's up to the clubs attending on the day to agree / approve all these things.  The SJFA themselves don't decide. 

The AGM is the clubs forum.  It's up to the clubs to vote in any new team that applies or to vote on any proposals that any club is free to submit.  This year no club submitted any proposals on anything to the Junior Cup so it stays as it is next season.  That's how the system works.

The only vote that was taken was in the Special General Meeting held immediately before the AGM and an overwhelming majority gave the SJFA the remit to join the pyramid in principle subject to terms and conditions.

Outwith that it was a very straight forward, business like, AGM since very few clubs had anything to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The working group set up to look at revamping the cup competitions had to be given time to come up with proposals.
Hopefully they will be put before the clubs at the AGM, accepted then the fixtures can be arranged by the "new" fixtures Secretary whoever that may be.

This working group was set up last year the fixtures secretary job stinks of jobs for the boys if mr Robertson is still in charge of the fixtures would the last person out turn the lights out on junior football in the west
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1 hour ago, Brig O'Lea said:

It's mainly the usual stuff you get an any AGM.  President, Secretary and Treasurer reports.  Re-election of office bearers and committee.  Appointment of auditors.  Rules revisions like the updating of season dates.  Long service awards to club officials.  Any other business.

It's up to the clubs attending on the day to agree / approve all these things.  The SJFA themselves don't decide. 

The AGM is the clubs forum.  It's up to the clubs to vote in any new team that applies or to vote on any proposals that any club is free to submit.  This year no club submitted any proposals on anything to the Junior Cup so it stays as it is next season.  That's how the system works.

The only vote that was taken was in the Special General Meeting held immediately before the AGM and an overwhelming majority gave the SJFA the remit to join the pyramid in principle subject to terms and conditions.

Outwith that it was a very straight forward, business like, AGM since very few clubs had anything to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great answer. Thank you. 

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3 hours ago, santheman said:

The working group set up to look at revamping the cup competitions had to be given time to come up with proposals.

It's not rocket science, though, The Scottish remains so there are 3 cups under West jurisdiction. Scrap the sectional and regional cups. This leaves Leagues with 30 games, at least 1 game in the Scottish and at least 1 game in the West. Minimum games played 32. Maximum depends on retaining replays and Cup progress. Next season, start with a Cup winners/League Winners Cup played midweek to replace the Evening Times.

There, suggested in 5 minutes as opposed to months.

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1 hour ago, Big Davy Boy said:

It's not rocket science, though, The Scottish remains so there are 3 cups under West jurisdiction. Scrap the sectional and regional cups. This leaves Leagues with 30 games, at least 1 game in the Scottish and at least 1 game in the West. Minimum games played 32. Maximum depends on retaining replays and Cup progress. Next season, start with a Cup winners/League Winners Cup played midweek to replace the Evening Times.

There, suggested in 5 minutes as opposed to months.

The jungle drums suggest they will be proposing:

  • A new sectional cup that merges the present Ayrshire and Central ones together.
  • The two regional knockouts are being discontinued. 
  • The West will be the only all-in knockout cup outside the SJC.
  • Evening Times Cup unaltered (afaik)

The balance of fixtures from this season compared to next will be very similar BUT easier to schedule as they will be less dependent on the results of knockout cups.

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45 minutes ago, Big Davy Boy said:

It's not rocket science, though, The Scottish remains so there are 3 cups under West jurisdiction. Scrap the sectional and regional cups.

You think clubs would vote to scrap the Sectional as easy as that! :)

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47 minutes ago, Big Davy Boy said:

It's not rocket science, though, The Scottish remains so there are 3 cups under West jurisdiction. Scrap the sectional and regional cups. This leaves Leagues with 30 games, at least 1 game in the Scottish and at least 1 game in the West. Minimum games played 32. Maximum depends on retaining replays and Cup progress. Next season, start with a Cup winners/League Winners Cup played midweek to replace the Evening Times.

There, suggested in 5 minutes as opposed to months.

Why would you scrap the West Cup? Scrap the Sectional Cup and the Evening Times Trophy and get the ET to sponsor the Scottish.

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