DigOutYourSoul Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Spinning Pep's CL record at Bayern as success (absolutely battered twice) when the previous incumbent actually won the thing seems a bit of a stretch. Spinning Pep's failure to win a cup which consists of the best teams in the world (which only 5 teams in 10 years have won) to make him out to be a failure is also a bit of a stretch. (Not for a second saying that's what you're saying but many are). He's the best coach in the world IMO, but that's isn't judged by Champions League success - Roberto Di Matteo won a champions league FFS. There's a story about Pep calling Messi at 11pm the night before a game at Madrid in 2008 and asking him to come into the training ground because he'd spotted a pattern of play and wanted Messi to play between the lines and run at the defence, rather than play of the right wing. Barca won the game 6-2 and it was arguably the start of Messi playing in the position he has for the last 10 years -starting on the right and coming between the lines to get the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Principal Flutie said: It's almost as if Pep needed arguably the best club squad in history in order to do well in the CL. No arguably about it, the barca squad he inherited was the best, few tweaks by him kept them at that level Ask him to build his own team though........ -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, DigOutYourSoul said: Spinning Pep's failure to win a cup which consists of the best teams in the world (which only 5 teams in 10 years have won) to make him out to be a failure is also a bit of a stretch. (Not for a second saying that's what you're saying but many are). He's the best coach in the world IMO, but that's isn't judged by Champions League success - Roberto Di Matteo won a champions league FFS. There's a story about Pep calling Messi at 11pm the night before a game at Madrid in 2008 and asking him to come into the training ground because he'd spotted a pattern of play and wanted Messi to play between the lines and run at the defence, rather than play of the right wing. Barca won the game 6-2 and it was arguably the start of Messi playing in the position he has for the last 10 years -starting on the right and coming between the lines to get the ball. No one has classed his time at bayern as failure, his champions league record with them is a failure though given he didn't win it Its more the "peps the best manager there is" nonsense when there are other managers that have achieved more than he has Spending 500mill or whatever the f**k he's spent at city to get papped out the CL before the semis is brutal, especially given the luck of the draws he's had, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Dele said: As opposed to Laporte making two howlers? Or the ball going right through Ederson twice in two legs? You can write luck which ever way suits your prerogative. Man City were clearly the better side last night and deservedly won. Over the course of two legs I'd argue they deserved to go through but as has been said, they failed to shut up shop at the back or finish Spurs off with their numerous chances. Thems the breaks. Laporte making a james hunt of it isnt luck, its piss poor defending, luck is getting a massive deflection that takes a shot from being comfortably saved by the keeper to completely wrong footing him, or luck is getting a 50/50 decision in a dangerous position Man city might well have been the better side in terms of possession etc, but if they dont get two massive slices of luck within ten mins of each other, they probably dont beat spurs nevermind go out on away goals 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Falcor Roar Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 18 hours ago, PB1994 said: A team being pumped full of money by a TV deal making the final is exactly what this competition is about these days. It's the Champions League. We know that there is too much money in football these days. Anyway there is a big difference between the money Spurs have spent on their squad and what City have spent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, DigOutYourSoul said: Spinning Pep's failure to win a cup which consists of the best teams in the world (which only 5 teams in 10 years have won) to make him out to be a failure is also a bit of a stretch. If people are going to claim he's the best coach in the world then people are going to hold him to extremely high standards. He took over a side that in the 2 years prior to his appointment had reached the final in 2012 (and were a minute away from winning it), and were winners in 2013. He then lost 3 semis in 3 years, including a 5-0 defeat to Madrid, a comprehensive defeat by Barca, and a defeat to Atletico Madrid (not one of the mentioned 5 sides who have won it). You need a bit of luck to win the Champions League, but you couldn't seriously argue he lost those ties due to not getting the breaks, they were just not good enough. Getting to 3 semi-finals with Bayern is obviously not a disaster, but it is categorically true that he made them a worse side in European competition (at a time when a chunk of that team were winning the World Cup). Yeah that was from a very high starting point, but if you're held up as the best coach in the world then you are rightly going to be questioned on that. His record with City in the competition is also very unimpressive, the last 2 years he's getting put out by teams who they are comfortably better than domestically, other than poor game management I struggle to see why. Edited April 18, 2019 by Diamonds are Forever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said: If people are going to claim he's the best coach in the world then people are going to hold him to extremely high standards. He took over a side that in the 2 years prior to his appointment had reached the final in 2012 (and were a minute away from winning it), and were winners in 2013. He then lost 3 semis in 3 years, including a 5-0 defeat to Madrid, a comprehensive defeat by Barca, and a defeat to Atletico Madrid (not one of the mentioned 5 sides who have won it). You need a bit of luck to win the Champions League, but you couldn't seriously argue he lost those ties due to not getting the breaks, they were just not good enough. Getting to 3 semi-finals with Bayern is obviously not a disaster, but it is categorically true that he made them a worse side in European competition (at a time when a chunk of that team were winning the World Cup). Yeah that was from a very high starting point, but if you're held up as the best coach in the world then you are rightly going to be questioned on that. His record with City in the competition is also very unimpressive, the last 2 years he's getting put out by teams who they are comfortably better than domestically, other than poor game management I struggle to see why. Bang on the money 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 hours ago, ArabAuslander said: We are all Ajax We zijn allemaal Ajax I’m not. And neither is my wife. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Brightside Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 No arguably about it, the barca squad he inherited was the best, few tweaks by him kept them at that level Ask him to build his own team though........ That is disingenuous as f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Principal Flutie said: It's almost as if Pep needed arguably the best club squad in history in order to do well in the CL. *dons helmet* He actually dismantled that team and never won the CL with them... *runs away* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: *dons helmet* He actually dismantled that team and never won the CL with them... *runs away* Can imagine supras in his alias sitting seething at this right now lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Spinning Pep's CL record at Bayern as success (absolutely battered twice) when the previous incumbent actually won the thing seems a bit of a stretch. That doesn't mean he should have won it in three attempts though does it? Its even more of a stretch to suggest three semi finals in three years is bad going. Man City spent hundreds of millions to not get out of the group stage a couple of times. Its quite a hard tournament to win you know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said: If people are going to claim he's the best coach in the world then people are going to hold him to extremely high standards. He took over a side that in the 2 years prior to his appointment had reached the final in 2012 (and were a minute away from winning it), and were winners in 2013. He then lost 3 semis in 3 years, including a 5-0 defeat to Madrid, a comprehensive defeat by Barca, and a defeat to Atletico Madrid (not one of the mentioned 5 sides who have won it). You need a bit of luck to win the Champions League, but you couldn't seriously argue he lost those ties due to not getting the breaks, they were just not good enough. Getting to 3 semi-finals with Bayern is obviously not a disaster, but it is categorically true that he made them a worse side in European competition (at a time when a chunk of that team were winning the World Cup). Yeah that was from a very high starting point, but if you're held up as the best coach in the world then you are rightly going to be questioned on that. His record with City in the competition is also very unimpressive, the last 2 years he's getting put out by teams who they are comfortably better than domestically, other than poor game management I struggle to see why. If football was as simple as you make it sound you could become a millionaire betting on it within a month. They went out on away goals to a Spurs side one place below them in the league having a goal ruled out in stoppage time because Aguero's leg was a millimetre offside. After Laporte made two mistakes he would never normally make costing them two goals or they're through with miles to spare, and almost certainly in the final. No manager can legislate for things like that. its not an indictment of the manager except in the minds of morons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I mean he had Man City ten games from winning a fucking quadruple, lose one game by the finest margin possible and people are slating him. Football fans really are the stupidest people in the world sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 hours ago, 54_and_counting said: No arguably about it, the barca squad he inherited was the best, few tweaks by him kept them at that level Ask him to build his own team though........ He built that squad. Do some research. Ask him to build his own team? You mean like the Man City team that shat all over the entire English Premiership last year yeah? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kuro said: He built that squad. Do some research. Ask him to build his own team? You mean like the Man City team that shat all over the entire English Premiership last year yeah? Yup, the same man city team that just got papped out the CL by spurs As for the squad he "built" how many players in his first CL win at barca did he bring to the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said: Yup, the same man city team that just got papped out the CL by spurs As for the squad he "built" how many players in his first CL win at barca did he bring to the club? I just can't be bothered with people like you. Think whatever you want, what does it matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moomintroll Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 That doesn't mean he should have won it in three attempts though does it? Its even more of a stretch to suggest three semi finals in three years is bad going. Man City spent hundreds of millions to not get out of the group stage a couple of times. Its quite a hard tournament to win you know.The greatest Manager in the World would have though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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