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I agree that's how it should be - but  what is effectively happened/happening now with Bo'ness - two teams potentially at similar levels purely by application fighting over the same pot of supporters/fans - that's wrong.

Tier 10 - 11 doesn't exist so teams are jumping creating  a bottleneck of teams at the same level (tier 6).  Yes they will all eventually rise/fall to the correct level - but what damage does that create whilst teams sort themselves out. 

That's why you require a robust application processes rather than just accepting teams - only Linlithgow had a licence of all the new teams joining the EoS and others have good intentions with some clubs making better progress than others towards  licensing (no licence = no progression = pyramid fails)

 

Not this old argument again.

 

Anyway I'll leave the Bo'ness guys to it.

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14 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

I agree that's how it should be - but  what is effectively happened/happening now with Bo'ness - two teams potentially at similar levels purely by application fighting over the same pot of supporters/fans - that's wrong.

Tier 10 - 11 doesn't exist so teams are jumping creating  a bottleneck of teams at the same level (tier 6).  Yes they will all eventually rise/fall to the correct level - but what damage does that create whilst teams sort themselves out. 

That's why you require a robust application processes rather than just accepting teams - only Linlithgow had a licence of all the new teams joining the EoS and others have good intentions with some clubs making better progress than others towards  licensing (no licence = no progression = pyramid fails)

 

If Linlithgow Thistle change into Bo'ness United juniors how many fans do you think will swap to them from the current Bo'ness United. The answer is hee haw. These two sides will not be fighting over the same pot of supporters/fans.

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To get the funding for the new pitch at Dunipace they had to ensue that the club had an appropriate number of teams, amongst others they created a linked Am side - is this not more likely Linlithgow Thistle moving to Newton to become the Bo'ness Am side in relation to clubs?

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32 minutes ago, drs said:

To get the funding for the new pitch at Dunipace they had to ensue that the club had an appropriate number of teams, amongst others they created a linked Am side - is this not more likely Linlithgow Thistle moving to Newton to become the Bo'ness Am side in relation to clubs?

Dunipace have more joined up thinking than bo’ness at moment what I know is there’s the community club with community amateur team and bu who are senior team thistle proposal is to be junior team 

for astro majority of time be used by the kids with bu having usual Saturday slot when at home. Bug free to use by anyone outwith that time so make sense to gave s bo’ness team using it surely 

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Dunipace have more joined up thinking than bo’ness at moment what I know is there’s the community club with community amateur team and bu who are senior team thistle proposal is to be junior team 
for astro majority of time be used by the kids with bu having usual Saturday slot when at home. Bug free to use by anyone outwith that time so make sense to gave s bo’ness team using it surely 
? Have United been involved with the community club in helping with funding of the new development.or do they think they are just going to jump in.because they have been there for so long.serious question,how have they helped with fund raising etc.

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To get the funding for the new pitch at Dunipace they had to ensue that the club had an appropriate number of teams, amongst others they created a linked Am side - is this not more likely Linlithgow Thistle moving to Newton to become the Bo'ness Am side in relation to clubs?
Not sure Dunipace "had" to have an Amateur team, more they wanted one as part of their structure to give kids coming out of the youth setup another place to go if not ready for the Senior side and as another feeder for said senior team. Essentially have as many pathways as possible to keep people involved in the game. Have just started an over 35's and girls section for similar reasons.

The youth setup was an integral part of gaining the funding, but that was always something Dunipace were driving towards as a setup. Had youth teams as far back as I was a player in the early 2000's which has steadily grown, particularly the last 10 years or so. So they were not brought in just to get the funding and then run essentially separately. There's no separation within the club, all the teams run under the same charter, with the same executive committee and the same policies and processes, from the little uns right up to the first team. More efficient as there's no duplication of people running two separate "clubs".

Not having any artificial divide between senior team and youth teams and running as one community club really is the way forward in my opinion, it works brilliantly at Dunipace with everyone a part of the same thing, driving in the same direction, with a lot of good people doing great work across the whole club.

The structure is up on the website (minus the new girls and over 35's which haven't been added yet) with all the policies and procedures (club info and programmes section), for anyone interested. Not all teams are currently populated, that's something being worked on, there's a wee gap between under 15's and the development team.

High level structure looks like the below, CEC run the club top to bottom with the football operation jointly the CEC and First Team Manager.

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3 hours ago, FuzzyBear said:

If Linlithgow Thistle change into Bo'ness United juniors how many fans do you think will swap to them from the current Bo'ness United. The answer is hee haw. These two sides will not be fighting over the same pot of supporters/fans.

You miss the point - the mere fact there is competition puts strain on resources.   People may also stop travelling as they can watch a "Bo'ness Utd" at Newtown Park every week.  

As with any new team - they will look to build their standing in the local community.  Knowing the guy running Linlithgow Amateurs he won't be shy in promoting his team.  A job he will do very effectively (they already have loads of local sponsors who don't sponsor the Rose or Bo'ness)

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56 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

You miss the point - the mere fact there is competition puts strain on resources.   People may also stop travelling as they can watch a "Bo'ness Utd" at Newtown Park every week.  

As with any new team - they will look to build their standing in the local community.  Knowing the guy running Linlithgow Amateurs he won't be shy in promoting his team.  A job he will do very effectively (they already have loads of local sponsors who don't sponsor the Rose or Bo'ness)

I don't miss the point at all. That part of your post was nonsense.

If Bo'ness amateurs became Linlithgow juniors who do you know that would watch them rather than the Rose - be specific.

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34 minutes ago, FuzzyBear said:

I don't miss the point at all. That part of your post was nonsense.

If Bo'ness amateurs became Linlithgow juniors who do you know that would watch them rather than the Rose - be specific.

You have to remember that the Wee Rose arent his team - he'll always choose to be staunch at Ibrox if they are at home even when the Wee Rose are playing at Prestonfield,  he's used to supporting many teams. ;)

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2 hours ago, Auld Heid said:

You miss the point - the mere fact there is competition puts strain on resources.   People may also stop travelling as they can watch a "Bo'ness Utd" at Newtown Park every week.  

As with any new team - they will look to build their standing in the local community.  Knowing the guy running Linlithgow Amateurs he won't be shy in promoting his team.  A job he will do very effectively (they already have loads of local sponsors who don't sponsor the Rose or Bo'ness)

Linlithgow thistle it is we’re talking about are a stand alone team mainly made up of bo’ness lads the guy running them is a bo’ness man 

if you support bu going away your paying the opposition not BU in present format and if you support BU you go to BU game 

if he is good at getting sponsors is Bu no better tapping into that to help them cause let’s be honest there not good at it 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, grinderbrokeyourhearts said:

Have the Rose missed a wee trick in bringing Thistle into the club with the u20 league and amateur team.

Well run and self sufficient already. If Bo'ness to it it will only be a good thing imo.

Yes I think rose have missed a trick here which should help Bo’ness united 

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I guess politically the CC already have an amateur team as well but Thistle are one of the best run in the country and competing at a higher level.

The difficulty for Thistle and Bo'ness here is that Thistle are a Linlithgow Bridge Club and well supported from that area. Not sure that'll translate if they become Bo'ness.

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16 minutes ago, boness4ever said:

Ryan Stevenson has re-signed for us

Good to see a bo’ness man playing for team 

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You miss the point - the mere fact there is competition puts strain on resources.   People may also stop travelling as they can watch a "Bo'ness Utd" at Newtown Park every week.  


I can see the potential in the idea of generating income at Newtown every Saturday, but would fans of the Senior side chuck a change of scenery every other other Saturday? A good away day is a big attraction for most folk. I doubt many would like to see the Senior team have no support at away games either. A good support can be like a 12th man sometimes so they say.

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Ryan Stevenson has re-signed for us
I enjoyed watching him play for us last season. Higher up the park the better IMO. He doesn't have the defensive strength of say a Gemmell or Donnelly but he gives a bit extra pace and penetration going forward.
Welcome back Ryan.

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2 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said:

I enjoyed watching him play for us last season. Higher up the park the better IMO. He doesn't have the defensive strength of say a Gemmell or Donnelly but he gives a bit extra pace and penetration going forward.
Welcome back Ryan.

He likes a shot from outside of the box, I'm not saying he scores much, but he likes a shot or two.

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