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2 minutes ago, Silverton End said:

Could just stick Jim Fallon up front, for crimes against football management :P

Can't believe I've forgotten Nade to be honest!

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On 26/06/2018 at 11:16, The Moonster said:

Can he cover any full back positions?  Aitken loves a wee utility man in the middle of the park.

Has covered at right back a couple of times. Box ticked.

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1 hour ago, pleslie99 said:
1 hour ago, Silverton End said:
Could just stick Jim Fallon up front, for crimes against football management emoji14.png

Nade up front?

 

1 hour ago, The Moonster said:

Can't believe I've forgotten Nade to be honest!

#innocentuntilprovenguilty

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On 26/06/2018 at 10:57, Ross Forbes said:

Or this time last year, when he was the most in-demand striker in the Championship.

He had a nightmare last season, and only managed to make nine starts all year under a manager who it's known he doesn't get on with. In a team where he'll be pretty much guaranteed a start every week in a league that (as you guys will know only too well) is a totally different standard with a management team who believe in him you'd have to fancy him to do something positive.

Looking through the list of strikers other clubs have signed so far there's nobody (yet) that I would choose to swap with Loy.

I’d take Buchanan over Loy every day of the week tbh! Goals to game ratio is so much better! a fit Andy Jackson will be one of the better strikers also , for our sake I hope he can get fit! On paper he’s a good signing but it also depends on his mentality, mark Stewart had by all accounts a stinker at you lot last year he’s also arguable bad a lot better career than Loy, goin part time after being full time for all your career can ruin some cracking players 

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54 minutes ago, optimistic said:

Bannerman and James allan for wage stealing

James Allan for Glasvegas  - a crime against the ears.

 

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I’d take Buchanan over Loy every day of the week tbh! Goals to game ratio is so much better! a fit Andy Jackson will be one of the better strikers also , for our sake I hope he can get fit! On paper he’s a good signing but it also depends on his mentality, mark Stewart had by all accounts a stinker at you lot last year he’s also arguable bad a lot better career than Loy, goin part time after being full time for all your career can ruin some cracking players 

Mark Stewart is nowhere near Loy’s level plus he was actually having a decent impact before getting injured.

 

Buchanan was deadly at this level not too long ago but appears to be on the decline now.

 

Loy is on paper the best striker in the league if he’s mentally and physically fit. The encouraging thing I’ve heard from a couple of Falkirk fans I know is that he was going to be working hard on his fitness through the summer break.

 

Edit to add: Forgot about Andy Jackson, he that good I suggest we offer you him for Forbes and Loy in a swap deal.

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On 26/06/2018 at 11:32, Broken Algorithms said:

t Declan McManus, Liam Buchanan (at Livi), Shankland, Moffat and Moore at Ayr, Vaughan for ourselves are all good examples

All prolific in championship , lol

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5 minutes ago, Overthehedge1 said:

I’d take Buchanan over Loy every day of the week tbh! Goals to game ratio is so much better! a fit Andy Jackson will be one of the better strikers also , for our sake I hope he can get fit! On paper he’s a good signing but it also depends on his mentality, mark Stewart had by all accounts a stinker at you lot last year he’s also arguable bad a lot better career than Loy, goin part time after being full time for all your career can ruin some cracking players 

I'm not sure the Raith fans would agree on Buchanan - but then again nobody seems to get on well at Stark's Park these days! He was one of my favourite players in the lower leagues when he was with Thistle though, and showed with Livi a couple of seasons back what he can do in a good team.

Jackson's probably a good example of the difference in quality. He had a couple of decent scoring seasons in the 1st Division (as was) but only really became prolific when he dropped down a league. The same story with Alan Trouten, who is pretty much guaranteed goals in this division, but struggles a league up.

Loy could end up being another Mark Stewart, but to be fair to him (despite the lack of goals) he was doing pretty well until his season was effectively ended in December. After that he only made three more starts for us, which was pretty much a waste of everyone's time.

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9 minutes ago, Overthehedge1 said:

I’d take Buchanan over Loy every day of the week tbh! Goals to game ratio is so much better! a fit Andy Jackson will be one of the better strikers also , for our sake I hope he can get fit! On paper he’s a good signing but it also depends on his mentality, mark Stewart had by all accounts a stinker at you lot last year he’s also arguable bad a lot better career than Loy, goin part time after being full time for all your career can ruin some cracking players 

Remember that time Brechin didn't win a single league game all season. That was a right laugh eh?

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7 minutes ago, Overthehedge1 said:

I’d take Buchanan over Loy every day of the week tbh! Goals to game ratio is so much better! a fit Andy Jackson will be one of the better strikers also , for our sake I hope he can get fit! On paper he’s a good signing but it also depends on his mentality, mark Stewart had by all accounts a stinker at you lot last year he’s also arguable bad a lot better career than Loy, goin part time after being full time for all your career can ruin some cracking players 

I'd say fair enough to most of your points, but I don't think Mark Stewart has had a better career than Loy.

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4 minutes ago, cameron2000 said:

Mark Stewart is nowhere near Loy’s level plus he was actually having a decent impact before getting injured.

 

Buchanan was deadly at this level not too long ago but appears to be on the decline now.

 

Loy is on paper the best striker in the league if he’s mentally and physically fit. The encouraging thing I’ve heard from a couple of Falkirk fans I know is that he was going to be working hard on his fitness through the summer break.

 

Edit to add: Forgot about Andy Jackson, he that good I suggest we offer you him for Forbes and Loy in a swap deal.

Mark stewart

falkirk, bradford, Dundee, kilmarnock Hamilton raith Derry city

loy

falkirk Dundee Falkirk he was down south also 

 

 

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Mark stewart
falkirk, bradford, Dundee, kilmarnock Hamilton raith Derry city
loy
falkirk Dundee Falkirk he was down south also 
 
 

Mark Stewart has an abnormally bad injury record and Loy doesn’t, so Loy probably has plenty more left in him at this level.

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15 minutes ago, Overthehedge1 said:

Mark stewart

falkirk, bradford, Dundee, kilmarnock Hamilton raith Derry city

loy

falkirk Dundee Falkirk he was down south also 

By club:

Mark Stewart:

Raith Rovers 114 apps 26 goals
Falkirk 84 apps 21 goals
Dumbarton 36 apps 4 goals
Dundee 17 apps 3 goals
Bradford City 15 apps 0 goals
Hamilton Accies 13 apps 1 goal
Derry City 13 apps 1 goal
Kilmarnock 5 apps 0 goals

Total 296 apps, 56 goals

Rory Loy

Falkirk 104 apps 35 goals
Carlisle United 57 apps 8 goals
Dundee 50 apps 13 goals
St Mirren (two spells) 25 apps 7 goals
Dunfermline 19 apps 3 goals
Rangers 2 apps 0 goals

Total 256 apps 66 goals

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I suppose what those stats don't tell us is how much game time the players are actually getting. For example, in Stewart's 36 DFC appearances how often was he a sub? Would assume quite a few.

Irrespective, can't be many Sons fans who would take Stewart over Loy this season. It's a sensational signing on paper.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Consolidate said:

I suppose what those stats don't tell us is how much game time the players are actually getting. For example, in Stewart's 36 DFC appearances how often was he a sub? Would assume quite a few.

Irrespective, can't be many Sons fans who would take Stewart over Loy this season. It's a sensational signing on paper.

I can give help out with that too ;):

Mark Stewart

Raith Rovers - 7,329 minutes (64.2 minutes per game)
Falkirk - 4,694 minutes (55.8 minutes per game)
Dumbarton - 2,154 minutes (59.8 minutes per game)
Dundee - 600 minutes (35.3 minutes per game)
Bradford City - 685 minutes (45.6 minutes per game)
Hamilton - 718 minutes (55.2 minutes per game)
Derry City - 703 minutes (58.6 minutes per game)
Kilmarnock - 217 minutes (43.4 minutes per game)

Total - 17,100 minutes 56 goals. 1 goal every 305 minutes

Rory Loy

Falkirk - 8,239 minutes (79.1 minutes per game)
Carlisle United - 3,236 minutes(56.8 minutes per game)
Dundee - 2,702  minutes (54 minutes per game)
St Mirren (2nd spell) - 1,245 minutes (73.2 minutes per game)
Dunfermline Athletic - 899 minutes (47.3 minutes per game)
Rangers - 51 minutes (25.5 minutes per game)

Total - 16,363 minutes 66 goals. 1 goal every 247 minutes.

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1 hour ago, Ross Forbes said:

By club:

Mark Stewart:

Raith Rovers 114 apps 26 goals
Falkirk 84 apps 21 goals
Dumbarton 36 apps 4 goals
Dundee 17 apps 3 goals
Bradford City 15 apps 0 goals
Hamilton Accies 13 apps 1 goal
Derry City 13 apps 1 goal
Kilmarnock 5 apps 0 goals

Total 296 apps, 56 goals

Rory Loy

Falkirk 104 apps 35 goals
Carlisle United 57 apps 8 goals
Dundee 50 apps 13 goals
St Mirren (two spells) 25 apps 7 goals
Dunfermline 19 apps 3 goals
Rangers 2 apps 0 goals

Total 256 apps 66 goals

 

1 minute ago, Ross Forbes said:

I can give help out with that too ;):

Mark Stewart

Raith Rovers - 7,329 minutes (64.2 minutes per game)
Falkirk - 4,694 minutes (55.8 minutes per game)
Dumbarton - 2,154 minutes (59.8 minutes per game)
Dundee - 600 minutes (35.3 minutes per game)
Bradford City - 685 minutes (45.6 minutes per game)
Hamilton - 718 minutes (55.2 minutes per game)
Derry City - 703 minutes (58.6 minutes per game)
Kilmarnock - 217 minutes (43.4 minutes per game)

Total - 17,100 minutes 56 goals. 1 goal every 305 minutes

Rory Loy

Falkirk - 8,239 minutes (79.1 minutes per game)
Carlisle United - 3,236 minutes(56.8 minutes per game)
Dundee - 2,702  minutes (54 minutes per game)
St Mirren (2nd spell) - 1,245 minutes (73.2 minutes per game)
Dunfermline Athletic - 899 minutes (47.3 minutes per game)
Rangers - 51 minutes (25.5 minutes per game)

Total - 16,363 minutes 66 goals. 1 goal every 247 minutes.

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