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The Queen's Park 2018-19 Thread

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On 08/01/2019 at 21:22, Lichtie78 said:

Luke Donnelly is supposedly signing for us, what’s you guys thoughts on him?

Folk think he should be a big battering ram because of his height. That's not his game. "Enigmatic" would best describe him. Some games you wonder what on earth he's doing in the lower leagues and the next week he'll fall over the ball. 

I liked him and think his attributes outweighed his weaknesses. A guy like Campbell might also get the very best out of him with his man management if he's going to be at the club for a decent period of time. 

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On 1/8/2019 at 21:22, Lichtie78 said:

Luke Donnelly is supposedly signing for us, what’s you guys thoughts on him?

Take it from 6:10. That might have been his only part in the game mind.

 

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Folk think he should be a big battering ram because of his height. That's not his game. "Enigmatic" would best describe him. Some games you wonder what on earth he's doing in the lower leagues and the next week he'll fall over the ball. 
I liked him and think his attributes outweighed his weaknesses. A guy like Campbell might also get the very best out of him with his man management if he's going to be at the club for a decent period of time. 

He’s signed until the end of next season, so plenty time to work with. Can he play at all on the wing?That’s a position we need someone to take a game in. Heard from fans and seen in person he’s got bags of ability, will be interested to see if DC can channel that ability into making him a right good player. One previous example of him doing that is with ex-Spider David Gold. Signed under Todd Lumsden and had a fairly awful season whilst showing glimpses of obvious technical ability. Been molder from a #10, to a good utility player who can perform at full back, on the wing and in centre midfield.

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On 08/01/2019 at 17:33, JT1867 said:

This was mentioned at a previous meeting, but the constitution refers to members of the club, not players. There is nothing to stop the committee handing out professional contracts tomorrow without an EGM.

It would however be a brave committee that went down that route without the members agreement.

 

On 08/01/2019 at 20:00, The Spider said:

That surprises me as I'm sure I've seen reference to the business being that of an amateur football club. Haven't read the booklet for years now, but will need to dig it out and refresh my memory. In the event that the committee has the power to do that I'd very much doubt they would call an EGM, and would simply put it to the vote at Committee level.

 

On 09/01/2019 at 13:44, The man with no name said:

Always best to check, we wouldn't want a Berwick Rangers scenario!

Still to dig out the wee booklet and go throught it, but I did find this on the internet, of all places in the Scottish Parlaimenmt archives!

Q.P.F.C.'s motto 'Ludere causa ludendi' literally translated means 'to play for the sake of playing' and the principal purpose of the Club is to make the game of football available to as many players as possible. This is formalised in our Memorandum of Association, Section 3, which confirms our Club's purpose to 'establish and maintain amateur teams of football and other players'.

Assuming this remains current and hasn't been overridden by one of numerous subsequent amendments during the last few years, then this alone raises an interesting hurdle. In isolation (depending on one's interpretation) this would not stop the club from fielding a professional player, but how many professional players would need to be in the side to qualify as "a professional team"? 2, 6, 11?

This is simply looking at a single extract in isolation, but for me it already begins to cast doubts on whether the Committee (brave or otherwise) have sufficient power on their own to declare that we are becoming a professional club.

 

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Ok, I've now gone through it and believe the key clauses to be as follows;

6.2 To promote the practice and play of football...................................and for that purpose to establish and maintain amateur teams of football, and other players.

That seems straightforward enough to me, however the Committee might argue that the following clause gives them the power to override that if they feel it's neccessary for the objects of the Club; one of which is obviously its survival.

41. The transaction of the business of the Club and its entire management shall be vested in the Committee, who shall have full power of management and control over the conduct and affairs of the Club............................and they shall, subject as aforesaid, have power to do all acts and things which they may consider proper and advantageous for carrying out the objects of the Club, and in particular (but so as not to restrict the preceding generality) they shall have power to do the following things:-

............................................

To enter into contracts for the Club and rescind, alter, and vary the same, and to do all such acts and things as they may consider expedient or necessary for the purposes and objects of the Club.

So I think there's a fair degree of subjectivity in this, and in the absence of a definitive statement we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Interesting times ahead!

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14 hours ago, The Spider said:

Ok, I've now gone through it and believe the key clauses to be as follows;

6.2 To promote the practice and play of football...................................and for that purpose to establish and maintain amateur teams of football, and other players.

That seems straightforward enough to me, however the Committee might argue that the following clause gives them the power to override that if they feel it's neccessary for the objects of the Club; one of which is obviously its survival.

41. The transaction of the business of the Club and its entire management shall be vested in the Committee, who shall have full power of management and control over the conduct and affairs of the Club............................and they shall, subject as aforesaid, have power to do all acts and things which they may consider proper and advantageous for carrying out the objects of the Club, and in particular (but so as not to restrict the preceding generality) they shall have power to do the following things:-

............................................

To enter into contracts for the Club and rescind, alter, and vary the same, and to do all such acts and things as they may consider expedient or necessary for the purposes and objects of the Club.

So I think there's a fair degree of subjectivity in this, and in the absence of a definitive statement we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Interesting times ahead!

Why don't you raise it at the information evening?

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22 hours ago, an86 said:

Any word on our rearranged game (with Berwick)? 

my guess is it will be Wednesday 20th February 2019, 7:30pm (see below)

4 hours ago, The man with no name said:

Why don't you raise it at the information evening?

If I'm there I will, but I'm looking forward to Berwick re-arranging the game for that night, and then blithely informing anyone who goes to the game instead that they aren't entitled to know what happened at the meeting. Yes I know it ain't gonna happen, but I'd have loved demonstrating what a bitch karma can be :unsure:

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Can I respectfully suggest that any big "technical" questions are submitted beforehand so that any digging about can be done before the meeting. You have a better chance of receiving an answer.

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On 15/01/2019 at 14:12, Hampden Diehard said:

Can I respectfully suggest that any big "technical" questions are submitted beforehand so that any digging about can be done before the meeting. You have a better chance of receiving an answer.

That's a very sensible suggestion HD, but I'm not sure that "If the Committee feel it's in the best interests of the club to turn professional, does the constitution require it to be put to a members' vote?" is overly technical. If they don't already know the answer to that one then.......

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That's a very sensible suggestion HD, but I'm not sure that "If the Committee feel it's in the best interests of the club to turn professional, does the constitution require it to be put to a members' vote?" is overly technical. If they don't already know the answer to that one then.......
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It is a technical question. Depends on whether you actually want an answer to your question backed up with prior consideration and checking or not.

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1 hour ago, Hampden Diehard said:
1 hour ago, The Spider said:
That's a very sensible suggestion HD, but I'm not sure that "If the Committee feel it's in the best interests of the club to turn professional, does the constitution require it to be put to a members' vote?" is overly technical. If they don't already know the answer to that one then.......
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It is a technical question. Depends on whether you actually want an answer to your question backed up with prior consideration and checking or not.

The point I was trying to make HD is that if the President & The Committee have not already done prior consideration and checked to see whether or not they already have sufficient power to make that seismic change without consulting the membership, in my view that borders on gross incompetence. Imagine the Boardoom conversation...............

" We may need to turn professional at some stage if the club is to survive".

"Would the members back us on that?"

"Don't think we need to ask them as I can't remember there being anything in the constitution that would stop us just going ahead and declaring it an essential change"

"Well shouldn't we get somebody clued in to read through it carefully so we know for sure, perhaps even getting the Club's laywers to give us their opinion?"

"Nah. That's a technical question and you know I can't be bothered with technicalities. Let's hold off until one of the members actually asks us. That way we'll have plausible deniability if none of them ever do."

I genuinely cannot imagine any circumstance that The President would publicly discuss (as he has done with the media on more than one occasion) the possibility that we might have to turn professional following the sale of Hampden without having explored the methodology required.

I have only cited specific clauses with my limited understanding of the constitution, and I would agree with you that if I had phrased the question as "would the wording of clause 6.2 require the Committee to seek membership approval before turning professional?" then that would indeed be a specific technical question. But that's not what I asked, and I maintain that asking the general question "If the Committee feel it's in the best interests of the club to turn professional, does the constitution require it to be put to a members' vote?" is something they should already know the answer to.

Happy to agree to disagree if you feel otherwise.

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10 hours ago, Bring Your Own Socks said:

Any news on who was playing against Hurlford? Gibby? Ciaran? Kurtis?

None of the above, 2 trialists CB & Striker, 

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12 hours ago, spider1867 said:

Galty back training again?

You tease. Please happen. 

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1 hour ago, an86 said:

You tease. Please happen. 

Yes, just think of all the penalties he'll earn us........................and all the different players who'll miss them :(

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