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Surely its better for everyone to just start the next season as soon as football is able to return. Play offs would postpone the season by a further two months at least by the time the teams had a pre-season, played the play off games then prepare for the next to start. It's not feasible.

Kelty are showing themselves to be a joke of a club through this. They throw the toys out of the pram and crave attention as soon as something goes against them, remember when they were having gos at Selkirk during their struggles? There was no guarantee that they were even going to win the league anyways. 

Maybe they banked on getting promotion and the moneys beginning to run dry? I don't think many people will be buying conservatories during these troubling times.

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1 minute ago, craigiemack said:

Surely its better for everyone to just start the next season as soon as football is able to return. Play offs would postpone the season by a further two months at least by the time the teams had a pre-season, played the play off games then prepare for the next to start. It's not feasible.

Kelty are showing themselves to be a joke of a club through this. They throw the toys out of the pram and crave attention as soon as something goes against them, remember when they were having gos at Selkirk during their struggles? There was no guarantee that they were even going to win the league anyways. 

Maybe they banked on getting promotion and the moneys beginning to run dry? I don't think many people will be buying conservatories during these troubling times.

Forget the preseason. All starting on a level playing field. If players haven't been keeping fit. Tough. 

Just get the games played 😊

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1 minute ago, craigiemack said:

Surely its better for everyone to just start the next season as soon as football is able to return. Play offs would postpone the season by a further two months at least by the time the teams had a pre-season, played the play off games then prepare for the next to start. It's not feasible.

Kelty are showing themselves to be a joke of a club through this. They throw the toys out of the pram and crave attention as soon as something goes against them, remember when they were having gos at Selkirk during their struggles? There was no guarantee that they were even going to win the league anyways. 

Maybe they banked on getting promotion and the moneys beginning to run dry? I don't think many people will be buying conservatories during these troubling times.

2 months to play 4 games.... Away you go. 

 

Kelty were given the title, begrudgingly... You think raith would be happy to get a their title and not go up? Honest answers only please.

 

If you think an entire football club runs on "super conservatory power" then you're needing to maybe get involved at your local and see what it takes. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TheSaltire said:

2 months to play 4 games.... Away you go. 

 

Kelty were given the title, begrudgingly... You think raith would be happy to get a their title and not go up? Honest answers only please.

 

If you think an entire football club runs on "super conservatory power" then you're needing to maybe get involved at your local and see what it takes. 

 

 

Okay, so you're saying that the players and clubs would be happy to play the play off games the minute football is allowed back? They'd want a pre season. If say football was allowed to be played on August the 1st, the players wouldn't have played together in 5 months. So, say they want a 3 week pre season, followed by the 4 play off fixtures, that's you already more than a month in. Then are you going to just give a weeks turnaround for the promoted or relegated team to get ready for the season? No chance. 

Kelty were playing for a title that guaranteed them a play off. Raith were playing for a title that guarantees automatic promotion. All play offs are cancelled it's pretty simple.

 

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14 minutes ago, craigiemack said:

Okay, so you're saying that the players and clubs would be happy to play the play off games the minute football is allowed back? They'd want a pre season. If say football was allowed to be played on August the 1st, the players wouldn't have played together in 5 months. So, say they want a 3 week pre season, followed by the 4 play off fixtures, that's you already more than a month in. Then are you going to just give a weeks turnaround for the promoted or relegated team to get ready for the season? No chance. 

Kelty were playing for a title that guaranteed them a play off. Raith were playing for a title that guarantees automatic promotion. All play offs are cancelled it's pretty simple.

 

So if it goes back July 1st then what? 

Guaranteed them a play off they are not longer getting because 1 out of 4 decided it wasn't going ahead... Doesn't seem right does it?

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The season's finished and there are 9 other teams that aren't getting their promotion play-off either. They are howling at the moon here. 
To change our play-off I'm sure the LL and HL need to agree to it. SPFL cant make the call for us.


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On 25/04/2020 at 20:51, The Informer said:

Saw that, fcuking disgrace. Self serving arseholes.

There wouldn't be a problem in the first place if there was a proper pyramid system in place with automatic promotion and relegation places. I take it the opportunity was lost when the 42 members at the time voted on the playoffs option?

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1 minute ago, Snafu said:

There wouldn't be a problem in the first place if there was a proper pyramid system in place with automatic promotion and relegation places. I take it the opportunity was lost when the 42 members at the time voted on the playoffs option?

Even if there was automatic relegation from League 2 there would still be a problem, since Kelty and Brora wouldn't be able to play off to see who went up.

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7 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Even if there was automatic relegation from League 2 there would still be a problem, since Kelty and Brora wouldn't be able to play off to see who went up.

I was thinking more in the lines of two up two down.

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1 hour ago, selfassemblyshire said:

To change our play-off I'm sure the LL and HL need to agree to it. SPFL cant make the call for us.

 

Great, but the SPFL has called the season. Unless they restart it, how do propose to have it played?

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10 hours ago, TheSaltire said:

Play it before the season starts seems a reasonable option

I don't see how this is feasible. Teams need certainty to plan for the season and set budgets and may/may not be relegated or promoted into a new league a couple of weeks before the league campaign kicks off? 

There's no chance Kelty/Broara get their playoff game without the rest of the teams in the SPFL getting theirs as well, which I can't see happening. 

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25 minutes ago, Snafu said:

I was thinking more in the lines of two up two down.

But the Highland league would have to get their house in order (if that is possible) to allow this to happen ,it would probably only be a matter of time before LL would complain that their pyramid system deserves better treatment than the HL due to more competition / clubs in their system . You will never keep all happy 

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On 16/05/2020 at 17:01, craigiemack said:

Apparently the LL is planning for a restart in Autumn but behind closed doors to begin with. They're exploring ways to live stream games which would allow fans to watch games. 

Really? Where are you getting this from? I’d be amazed if any club at our level would be able to afford to play games behind closed doors. 

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11 hours ago, Michael W said:

How are you going to have the playoff played without restarting the season?

Mate don't they are clutching at straws. The 'legal action ' will fizzle out once the toys are put back in the pram and the owner of the club will throw the legal fee money towards a player or two. 

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12 hours ago, AlansHotBath said:

Not really sure this will go anywhere, tbqh. Kelty and Brora weren't denied automatic promotion, they were denied a chance to play-off for promotion, as were several other teams up and down the leagues. Shit luck undoubtedly, but what exactly can they hope to achieve by taking legal action? 

I think it's that the SPFL can legislate within the SPFL.  But unilaterally banning a play-off with two other leagues is not within the SPFL's purview.

 

The SPFL could agree to scrap the playoff with the HL and LL, and maybe the SFA has a part to play, but you can imagine what price Kelty and Brora would demand in return for scrapping the playoffs.

 

So it's a dilemma for lots of SPFL clubs.  Have two more clubs in, raising the risk of relegation whenever football gets underway; or face legal action that will be costly to defend and uncertain in outcome.

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1 hour ago, Michael W said:

Great, but the SPFL has called the season. Unless they restart it, how do propose to have it played?

The point seems to be that none of the SFA, SPFL, HL or LL has the power to change the agreement on its' own. If, e.g. , the SPFL choose not to comply with what they've already agreed with the SFA, HL and LL then they might be in a difficult situation legally? That means they need to get a grip and deal with the other three parties to the arrangement - whatever that means in practice - who knows? 

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16 minutes ago, Dev said:

The point seems to be that none of the SFA, SPFL, HL or LL has the power to change the agreement on its' own. If, e.g. , the SPFL choose not to comply with what they've already agreed with the SFA, HL and LL then they might be in a difficult situation legally? That means they need to get a grip and deal with the other three parties to the arrangement - whatever that means in practice - who knows? 

There has to be agreement between the 4 parties.   If the SPFL refuse to put up a candidate club for the play-off, would that mean the winners of the LL/HL play-off (which could feasibly happen before next season starts) would go up and Brechin down given that the SPFL have refused to enter?   The rule doesn't really cover the eventuality that one or more of the leagues withdraw, so it's open to interpretation as to what happens next.

As it's an SFA competition, are they the ones to bring all parties together to discuss?

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1 hour ago, traffordab said:

Mate don't they are clutching at straws. The 'legal action ' will fizzle out once the toys are put back in the pram and the owner of the club will throw the legal fee money towards a player or two. 

Good to see you ignored my scumbag rebuttle to your last slaver ya skidmark 

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1 hour ago, Burnieman said:

There has to be agreement between the 4 parties.   If the SPFL refuse to put up a candidate club for the play-off, would that mean the winners of the LL/HL play-off (which could feasibly happen before next season starts) would go up and Brechin down given that the SPFL have refused to enter?   The rule doesn't really cover the eventuality that one or more of the leagues withdraw, so it's open to interpretation as to what happens next.

As it's an SFA competition, are they the ones to bring all parties together to discuss?

The regulations also state that a champion club has to be declared as a result of all games being played. I'm not a legal expert, but there can be many interpretations. The SPFL would probably say that as the HL/LL didn't finish their leagues, their side of the agreement didn't get adhered to. Yet the HL/LL will obviously argue the competition can't be unilaterally cancelled by the SPFL. It can get very interesting.

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