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38 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Agree, we are all missing football.

Quite possibly that was behind the decision to dive head long back into a new season that had no guarantee of being completed.

The solution of using PPG is a very easy cop out.




 

It's the only viable option other than null & void, which no one wants if their looking at the big picture.

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What solution would you use?
Personally, I would have never started the season from the off.

However having started, you have to try and complete in my view.

At this moment if league is awarded you then enter into a close season...!!

Why not take advantage of playing May and June.



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7 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Why not take advantage of playing May and June.

A Lowland League side will be in the League Cup in mid July. The playoff for promotion needs to be in May. Extending the season beyond the playoff date makes no sense.

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https://keltyhearts.co.uk/kelty-hearts-fc-update/

As is now widely known the board of the SLFL have decided that the League season for 2020/21 be concluded due to ongoing Covid restrictions, with the Champion Club once again awarded on a PPG basis. The decision to declare a Champion on PPG rather than declare a null and void season was necessary to ensure a club from the SLFL would go forward to the Pyramid Play Off. This decision sees Kelty Hearts FC declared as SLFL Champion Club, we would like to place on record our appreciation of how difficult making this decision would be for the SLFL and its member clubs. We would also like to acknowledge the efforts all member clubs and the SLFL board had made to ensure the successful safe return to SLFL football earlier in the season.

Having been declared as the SLFL Champion club we now face a two legged play-off against Highland League champions Brora Rangers, a fixture that has been approved and confirmed by the SFA as taking place at the end of this month.

With current Covid restrictions only allowing non contact training for adult teams, and also travel restrictions remaining in place, we and the SLFL board are urgently seeking a professional sport exemption from the SFA which will allow the squad to return fully to training. This exemption is necessary to allow the squad to prepare fully for the biggest games in our clubs’ history. We are fully aware that a return to training will require full DPCR Covid testing, and we are currently in discussions to have this in place on the go ahead from the relevant authorities to return to training.

With the scheduled SHFL v SLFL play-offs only 3 weeks away, Saturday 24th April and Saturday 1st May the urgency of receiving this exemption can’t be emphasised enough so our management team and squad can prepare as best they can.

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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

https://keltyhearts.co.uk/kelty-hearts-fc-update/

As is now widely known the board of the SLFL have decided that the League season for 2020/21 be concluded due to ongoing Covid restrictions, with the Champion Club once again awarded on a PPG basis. The decision to declare a Champion on PPG rather than declare a null and void season was necessary to ensure a club from the SLFL would go forward to the Pyramid Play Off. This decision sees Kelty Hearts FC declared as SLFL Champion Club, we would like to place on record our appreciation of how difficult making this decision would be for the SLFL and its member clubs. We would also like to acknowledge the efforts all member clubs and the SLFL board had made to ensure the successful safe return to SLFL football earlier in the season.

Having been declared as the SLFL Champion club we now face a two legged play-off against Highland League champions Brora Rangers, a fixture that has been approved and confirmed by the SFA as taking place at the end of this month.

With current Covid restrictions only allowing non contact training for adult teams, and also travel restrictions remaining in place, we and the SLFL board are urgently seeking a professional sport exemption from the SFA which will allow the squad to return fully to training. This exemption is necessary to allow the squad to prepare fully for the biggest games in our clubs’ history. We are fully aware that a return to training will require full DPCR Covid testing, and we are currently in discussions to have this in place on the go ahead from the relevant authorities to return to training.

With the scheduled SHFL v SLFL play-offs only 3 weeks away, Saturday 24th April and Saturday 1st May the urgency of receiving this exemption can’t be emphasised enough so our management team and squad can prepare as best they can.

The Record is pointing out that the SPFL has yet to confirm their participation in a play-off. That, IMO, is not a given.

 

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A vote to end the season is exactly that. If you can't or won't find a way to play out the league season, then you can't credibly expect to jump back in for a playoff, particularly when teams at the bottom of League Two have been bursting their arses to get it completed. 

I'm all for the pyramid and think relegation should actually be automatic, but there are absolutely no grounds for a playoff on the back of this season. 

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20 minutes ago, an86 said:

A vote to end the season is exactly that. If you can't or won't find a way to play out the league season, then you can't credibly expect to jump back in for a playoff, particularly when teams at the bottom of League Two have been bursting their arses to get it completed. 

I'm all for the pyramid and think relegation should actually be automatic, but there are absolutely no grounds for a playoff on the back of this season. 

There was no vote to end the season, the season was ended working within the rules of the league. If Tier 5 teams had been given a fair and equal amount of money in line with Div2 then maybe they could have “burst their arse” to get it completed.

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19 hours ago, Big Dougie said:

There was no vote to end the season, the season was ended working within the rules of the league. If Tier 5 teams had been given a fair and equal amount of money in line with Div2 then maybe they could have “burst their arse” to get it completed.

I’m not referring to leagues ending or if play offs should happen, but don’t agree with your comment about getting finances. 
Tier 5 is 2 divisions, another roughly 30 teams? How much money do you think there was?

And if tier 5 get it, why wouldn’t tier 6 etc.

The correct cut off for that money was made, league teams and not non-league teams , harsh as it may seem.

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19 hours ago, Big Dougie said:

There was no vote to end the season, the season was ended working within the rules of the league. If Tier 5 teams had been given a fair and equal amount of money in line with Div2 then maybe they could have “burst their arse” to get it completed.

Tier 5 got more money from the SG than Tier 4.

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Clubs were meant to have been asked for their gate money from 2018-19 league games to try and judge how the money would be distributed. League Two would clearly have a higher average than Tier 5 and ticket adult ticket prices are about £12 to £6 between the levels. If they were taken as what a league would get over a normal season League Two would have a 36 game season, and Tier 5 32 game season.

Headcounts for 2018-19 for the current LL clubs worked out as 175, the HL might bump that up a little but not much. Call it 200 as an average attendance £6 ticket, 16 home games, across 34 clubs = £652,800.

What is meant to have been fair?

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18 minutes ago, big al said:

I’m not referring to leagues ending or if play offs should happen, but don’t agree with your comment about getting finances. 
Tier 5 is 2 divisions, another roughly 30 teams? How much money do you think there was?

And if tier 5 get it, why wouldn’t tier 6 etc.

The correct cut off for that money was made, league teams and not non-league teams , harsh as it may seem.

There was £30 million, and if you do a bit of digging you will soon find that the money was disproportionally allocated. I’ve looked into this a fair bit (I am involved loosely in the auditing business) after I was asked to by a friend at a club in tier 5. It transpires that Tier 5 got the majority of their money from a commercial deal with Camelot, and not from the Government fund. In addition the SFA signed up to the Camelot deal without prior consultation with the Tier 5 clubs.

Div 2 were given £100,000, with Tier 5 given £33,000, not proportionate by any stretch of the imagination. When you also factor in the additional £50k given to SPFL clubs for Covid relief from James Anderson, then it’s hard not say that Tier 5 and below have been shafted.

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21 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Tier 5 got more money from the SG than Tier 4.

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Clubs were meant to have been asked for their gate money from 2018-19 league games to try and judge how the money would be distributed. League Two would clearly have a higher average than Tier 5 and ticket adult ticket prices are about £12 to £6 between the levels. If they were taken as what a league would get over a normal season League Two would have a 36 game season, and Tier 5 32 game season.

Headcounts for 2018-19 for the current LL clubs worked out as 175, the HL might bump that up a little but not much. Call it 200 as an average attendance £6 ticket, 16 home games, across 34 clubs = £652,800.

What is meant to have been fair?

Apologies, didn’t read your post properly the first time.

I would dispute that, Tier 5 money came from a commercial deal with Camelot.

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1 minute ago, Big Dougie said:

Apologies, didn’t read your post properly the first time.

I would dispute that, Tier 5 money came from a commercial deal with Camelot.

https://www.gov.scot/news/emergency-funding-for-football/

Over £11 million split between lower-league clubs.

Emergency grants worth £11.35 million will be split between football clubs in an agreement between the Scottish FA and the Scottish Government.

The funding will support clubs below Premiership level after the loss of spectator revenue due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, with £10 million coming from the Scottish Government’s emergency sports package that was announced earlier this month, and a further £1.35 million from the National Lottery.

Championship clubs will receive an equal share of £5 million, League One will receive £1.5 million and League Two will receive £1 million, with the remaining funds split between the lower leagues, women’s football and the affiliated national associations. The grants will be administered by the Scottish FA, which will receive the funding early next week.

Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said:

“Football clubs are at the heart of their communities, but many of them have suffered real hardships as the necessary COVID-19 lockdown restrictions prevented them from playing in front of fans, or even playing competitively at all. This funding will help to ensure clubs are able to bridge the gap in revenue until spectators are able to return safely to sports events in larger numbers.

“I am delighted we are able to use this funding to support the entire football pyramid and provide valuable support where it is needed most. I would like to thank the Scottish Football Association for working constructively to reach this agreement, and to the National Lottery for the additional £1.35 million funding. Working in partnership we will support the clubs that have given us so much through this difficult time.”

Rod Petrie, Scottish FA President, said:

“This announcement recognises the importance of our national sport at all levels of the senior game. We will work with the Scottish Government to ensure that the funding can be accessed by all clubs as efficiently as possible. ”

Background

The Scottish Government’s emergency sports funding package, announced last week, also includes £20 million in loans for the Scottish Premiership alongside funding for sports including rugby, basketball, netball and horse racing.

Divisional funding, and the £20 million Premiership loans, will be split evenly between the clubs in each tier.

A full breakdown of the grant allocations is as follows:

Championship 

£5 million

League One    

£1.5 million

League Two

£1 million

Tier 5

£1,100,000

Tier 6      

£650,000

Tier 7 

£950,000

Scottish Women’s Football League 1

£150,000

Scottish Women’s Football League 2

£20,000

North Caledonian Football League

£24,000

Scottish FA                         

£750,000

Scottish Amateur FA

£100,000

Scottish Junior FA

£12,750

Scottish Schools FA

£12,750

Scottish Welfare FA

£12,750

Scottish Women's FA

£20,000

Scottish Youth FA

£35,000

Para ANA         

£12,750

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1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said:

https://www.gov.scot/news/emergency-funding-for-football/

Over £11 million split between lower-league clubs.

Emergency grants worth £11.35 million will be split between football clubs in an agreement between the Scottish FA and the Scottish Government.

The funding will support clubs below Premiership level after the loss of spectator revenue due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, with £10 million coming from the Scottish Government’s emergency sports package that was announced earlier this month, and a further £1.35 million from the National Lottery.

Championship clubs will receive an equal share of £5 million, League One will receive £1.5 million and League Two will receive £1 million, with the remaining funds split between the lower leagues, women’s football and the affiliated national associations. The grants will be administered by the Scottish FA, which will receive the funding early next week.

Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said:

“Football clubs are at the heart of their communities, but many of them have suffered real hardships as the necessary COVID-19 lockdown restrictions prevented them from playing in front of fans, or even playing competitively at all. This funding will help to ensure clubs are able to bridge the gap in revenue until spectators are able to return safely to sports events in larger numbers.

“I am delighted we are able to use this funding to support the entire football pyramid and provide valuable support where it is needed most. I would like to thank the Scottish Football Association for working constructively to reach this agreement, and to the National Lottery for the additional £1.35 million funding. Working in partnership we will support the clubs that have given us so much through this difficult time.”

Rod Petrie, Scottish FA President, said:

“This announcement recognises the importance of our national sport at all levels of the senior game. We will work with the Scottish Government to ensure that the funding can be accessed by all clubs as efficiently as possible. ”

Background

The Scottish Government’s emergency sports funding package, announced last week, also includes £20 million in loans for the Scottish Premiership alongside funding for sports including rugby, basketball, netball and horse racing.

Divisional funding, and the £20 million Premiership loans, will be split evenly between the clubs in each tier.

A full breakdown of the grant allocations is as follows:

Championship 

£5 million

League One    

£1.5 million

League Two

£1 million

Tier 5

£1,100,000

Tier 6      

£650,000

Tier 7 

£950,000

Scottish Women’s Football League 1

£150,000

Scottish Women’s Football League 2

£20,000

North Caledonian Football League

£24,000

Scottish FA                         

£750,000

Scottish Amateur FA

£100,000

Scottish Junior FA

£12,750

Scottish Schools FA

£12,750

Scottish Welfare FA

£12,750

Scottish Women's FA

£20,000

Scottish Youth FA

£35,000

Para ANA         

£12,750

Thanks for that, and apologies, I stand corrected. Although I would say that it is still disproportionately spread.

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3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Tier 5 has over 3 times as many clubs as Tier 4.

7/17 LL clubs had headcounts under 100 for 2018-19. You average it all out across the tier having 34-10 isn't exactly an advantage when you've got crowds that are less than half, and ticket prices less than half.

 

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2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

7/17 LL clubs had headcounts under 100 for 2018-19. You average it all out across the tier having 34-10 isn't exactly an advantage when you've got crowds that are less than half, and ticket prices less than half.

 

That is all fair, but the money wasn’t distributed on the basis of these figures I am led to believe.

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5 minutes ago, Big Dougie said:

That is all fair, but the money wasn’t distributed on the basis of these figures I am led to believe.

That's what was asked for

https://www.bonnyriggrosefc.co.uk/news/club-update-2596237.html

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On the subject of the Scottish Government grant, clubs in our league were asked (so on that basis we assume all clubs were) to submit numbers on lost league gate income based on accounts submitted in 2018/19.

And the SG statement says it was there to cover lost spectator revenue.

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The funding will support clubs below Premiership level after the loss of spectator revenue due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic

 

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31 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

That's what was asked for

https://www.bonnyriggrosefc.co.uk/news/club-update-2596237.html

And the SG statement says it was there to cover lost spectator revenue.

 

I appreciate that, but I am led to believe that they didn’t use these figures in the end. Not for the first time however, I could be wrong. 😀

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