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16 minutes ago, rockson said:

All leagues are private members clubs.

And their duty is to protect their members.

Agreed, but anyone with any long term vision for their members would know that fresh, progressive teams joining can only enhance the leagues. If there is impact on the pyramid playoffs beyond this season then they cannot argue that they doing anything but protecting themselves from fear of below.

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The tier 4 sides are terrified of the trapdoor. The tier 3 sides can see the threat posed by the sides who have joined the SPFL from tier 5. Things will only change when the voting structure is radically changed...... or clubs go bust and the phoenix clubs come in at tier 7 or 8.

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Summed up in a pretty risible myopic manner - as seems to have sadly become commonplace 
Which part exactly? It's obvious to all that many of the dead wood L2 clubs are terrified of what is coming, they see what has happened to Berwick and ES and they will do anything to keep a lid on it. McMenemy's comments on shutting down the play of are proof of that.

They won't go to auto relegation, and is reason why they didn't want reconstruction that saw both Brora and Kelty promoted because they knew neither would be struggling near the foot of L2 and instead it would be them.

The comments from Reid re going to Brora are embarrassing, but not surprising.

I live in hope the impending court cases expose the whole sham.
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28 minutes ago, craigiemack said:

Well it's not wrong though, is it?

Albion Rovers have just stated that they didn't want Brora in the league. McMenemy wants relegation to be scrapped for a few years. Tatters used any excuse he could possibly think of to try and halt reconstruction while Cowdenbeath are terrified at the prospect of Kelty and other forward thinking Fife clubs joining the leagues. 

They used every excuse and diversion possible to avoid reconstruction and in the end they got what they wanted. They can wrap it up in any way they want but they are all terrified at what is coming up from beneath them. While they stagnate, everyone below them is progressing and that is only going to make things worse as one by one they drop out of the leagues.

It is wrong, simplistic and biased.  Cowden firstly aren’t terrified of Kelty (and other forward thinking Fife clubs) coming into the League - why would they be?  Cowden have twice fought for their SPFL status in play offs without any complaint or attempt to move any goalposts.  Cowden are also forward thinking.  Albion Rovers new manager observed it was a long way to Brora as far as I can make out.  
 

The simple facts are 14 doesn’t work well for the Premier League with a split at 26 games.  CFC voted for a pragmatic solution in the face of a pandemic - still seems sensible to me and still the only solution that enough clubs can agree on.  That meant champions promoted and bottom clubs relegated and no play offs as no scope to play more games.  Cowdenbeath FC thus gave up their play off/promotion chance because we saw it was the only realistic option.  Thus CFC, Brora, Kelty, Edinburgh City and 6 other play off clubs missed out - that’s tough for all of them but there was no other practical and obvious option in the circumstances. To later propose a plan where some clubs in the play offs were to get preferential treatment over others isn’t more fair.  
 

I also don’t really believe a Shire supporter should be setting the standards given Shire being a club that established the standard for dead wood in the Scottish League.  
 

 

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19 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

Are we all using "forward-thinking" as a euphemism for 'has a sugar daddy' now?

Just because there is some £ floating around doesn't mean Kelty aren't forward thinking. Considering we took the plunge from the junior ranks, and what has happened since, you can't back up any claim otherwise. Investing in facilities...another box ticked for forward thinking.

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Just now, leomessi1984 said:

Just because there is some floating around doesn't mean Kelty aren't forward thinking. Considering we took the plunge from the junior ranks, and what has happened since, you can't back up any claim otherwise. Investing in facilities...another box ticked for forward thinking.

True. But it's not primarily the "forward-thinkingness" of Kelty, Brora, Cove, etc than will worry L2 clubs.

Stenhousemuir and the like don't care if Kelty have invested in their facilities or have great coaching for the under 12s. They care that these clubs will come up and outspend them significantly.

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The tier 4 sides are terrified of the trapdoor. The tier 3 sides can see the threat posed by the sides who have joined the SPFL from tier 5. Things will only change when the voting structure is radically changed...... or clubs go bust and the phoenix clubs come in at tier 7 or 8.

 

Not sure the tier 3 sides feel threatened tbh it doesn’t directly effect us. Cove have done well and we’ll see how they get on next year against tougher opposition and full time teams. They had two attempts at the playoffs. And Edinburgh city haven’t got past league 2 since joining. While I agree both kelty and Brora have been extremely hard done too. There’s no certainty either would come in and “walk over” the lower leagues.

 

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7 minutes ago, gogsy said:

Isn't there a rule somewhere about club officials not being allowed to bad mouth other clubs?

It's true though. Apart from a couple of seasons where Spencer Fearn's sacks full of "forward-thought" saw them not finish bottom of the league.

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44 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

It is wrong, simplistic and biased.  Cowden firstly aren’t terrified of Kelty (and other forward thinking Fife clubs) coming into the League - why would they be?  Cowden have twice fought for their SPFL status in play offs without any complaint or attempt to move any goalposts.  Cowden are also forward thinking.  Albion Rovers new manager observed it was a long way to Brora as far as I can make out.  
 

The simple facts are 14 doesn’t work well for the Premier League with a split at 26 games.  CFC voted for a pragmatic solution in the face of a pandemic - still seems sensible to me and still the only solution that enough clubs can agree on.  That meant champions promoted and bottom clubs relegated and no play offs as no scope to play more games.  Cowdenbeath FC thus gave up their play off/promotion chance because we saw it was the only realistic option.  Thus CFC, Brora, Kelty, Edinburgh City and 6 other play off clubs missed out - that’s tough for all of them but there was no other practical and obvious option in the circumstances. To later propose a plan where some clubs in the play offs were to get preferential treatment over others isn’t more fair.  
 

I also don’t really believe a Shire supporter should be setting the standards given Shire being a club that established the standard for dead wood in the Scottish League.  
 

 

Because Kelty have a far better run club, more generous sponsors, hundreds of community players, bigger crowds, would be more appealing to players - the list is endless in all honesty. The only USP Cowden have is SPFL football.

Don't make me laugh, 'without any complaint' - your club was sending out mayday calls claiming you would be bankrupt within a year if you were relegated. 

Perhaps the shire 'established the standard for deadwood' but judging by your points totals in recent years, particularly in your play off survival years, you weren't much better. Bare in mind it took penalties one year and an act of cheating to avoid it the other shows that. The Shire supported the implementation of the pyramid, despite knowing that they would likely be one of the first to fall and handled the relegation period with dignity. We didn't go crying to the government for money like yourselves. Enjoy the SPFL handouts while you can 🙂

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39 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

True. But it's not primarily the "forward-thinkingness" of Kelty, Brora, Cove, etc than will worry L2 clubs.

Stenhousemuir and the like don't care if Kelty have invested in their facilities or have great coaching for the under 12s. They care that these clubs will come up and outspend them significantly.

Valid point. We certainly have invested in the squad. We are forward thinking though 😄

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1 hour ago, karr11 said:

Donald Finlay was spot on yesterday neither the Highland league or lowland leagues teams had won any playoff match and only one deserved to go up at a push not two.  

Suck it up and get on with it and good luck trying to got into the top four leagues in the future you'll need it! 

Btw give the statements a rest they are pointless in the main. 

Indeed they are Traffers old boy, indeed they are.

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On 6 June 2020 at 13:26, Whitburn Vale said:

I'm a patient man,I cannot wait for seethe after seethe in the very near future of 1 club after the other assaulting League 2,just like Cove have just done,I.e Talbot,Kelty,Bonnyrigg,Kilwinning ,Brora etc

Might be waiting a long time.

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On 16/06/2020 at 20:37, craigiemack said:

They used every excuse and diversion possible to avoid reconstruction and in the end they got what they wanted. They can wrap it up in any way they want but they are all terrified at what is coming up from beneath them. While they stagnate, everyone below them is progressing and that is only going to make things worse as one by one they drop out of the leagues.

It's already raising the game within the League as well.   No idea how they did it, but Montrose's brush with the drop seems to have provoked a sea-change and their best performances for a generation.  And now Queen's Park are pro they will probably improve hugely too.  Two fewer clubs dancing around the trapdoor - ups the chances of Brechin et al to fall through it.

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At the heart of the matter is poor leadership from Doncaster and a complete lack of vision in a large number of clubs. These clubs have been mediocre for years just trudging out results to keep them where they have always been. 
On the other hand teams like Kelty, Bonnyrigg, East Kilbride etc have real vision for the future from the owners through to the managers, players, committee’s and fans.

We haven’t seen the end yet, Hearts, Partick and all the other teams were denied the sporting chance they deserved and I hope the court drives a bus through the ineptitude of the league management and the Chairmen of the clubs who tried to put Hearts and Partick down, they will now be the ones who will either see sense and agree to reconstruction or face the financial ruin they deserve. 
Bring it on and delay the league starting if that’s what it takes. Everything is fair game now.

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Exactly couldn't have put it any better myself, self interest will now come back to haunt them when all this could have easily been sorted so no club would have been disadvantaged. 

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