Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Instead of throwing money at education in schools about alcohol misuse and on proper rehab services let's just continue blindly down the road of adding more money to a product that will see those who are poorest merely give up a meal to buy drink. Maybe address the societal issues that are causing people to drink so much instead of a shit policy that won't work. Education not shit legislation. Half arsed Ill thought out pish again, a bit like the disastrous drug policy. They're some lot.What a load of ignorant pish. What evidence do you have that they aren't educating kids about the misuse of drugs and alcohol in schools. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Maturin Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: 1 hour ago, Tynie Trotwood said: Instead of throwing money at education in schools about alcohol misuse and on proper rehab services let's just continue blindly down the road of adding more money to a product that will see those who are poorest merely give up a meal to buy drink. Maybe address the societal issues that are causing people to drink so much instead of a shit policy that won't work. Education not shit legislation. Half arsed Ill thought out pish again, a bit like the disastrous drug policy. They're some lot. What a load of ignorant pish. What evidence do you have that they aren't educating kids about the misuse of drugs and alcohol in schools. The fact I worked for ten years in that field and still know what's going on. As for ignorant pish comment, grow up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Here’s a big thread about the weird world of alcohol duties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Tynie Trotwood said: The fact I worked for ten years in that field and still know what's going on. As for ignorant pish comment, grow up. What field? Working in a co-op? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 A number of academic studies have attempted to estimate the price elasticity of demand for alcohol. While these have produced a range of estimates, the majority agree that alcohol conforms to the law of demand, but that it is relatively inelastic. In other words, raising alcohol prices reduces alcohol consumption, but typically the fall in consumption is proportionately a lot smaller than the increase in prices.Research has also shown that amongst heavy drinkers a 1% increase in prices only leads to a 0.28% drop in alcohol consumption.As any economist will tell you, trying to use price to reduce consumption when demand is inelastic is almost always a futile policy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 9 hours ago, Tynie Trotwood said: Instead of throwing money at education in schools about alcohol misuse and on proper rehab services let's just continue blindly down the road of adding more money to a product that will see those who are poorest merely give up a meal to buy drink. Maybe address the societal issues that are causing people to drink so much instead of a shit policy that won't work. Education not shit legislation. Half arsed Ill thought out pish again, a bit like the disastrous drug policy. They're some lot. I can see you are conflicted but don't be too hard on yourself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Research has also shown that amongst heavy drinkers a 1% increase in prices only leads to a 0.28% drop in alcohol consumption. 400% price increase should sort that. . Or another couple of MUP increases probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Young people today are drinking quite a bit less than their parents' generation. We can't really expect education to have an immediate effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Research has also shown that amongst heavy drinkers a 1% increase in prices only leads to a 0.28% drop in alcohol consumption. There has been a load of research over the years, and they've come up with a massive range of estimates of price elasticity of demand, as you'd expect from the charlatans otherwise known as economists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: A number of academic studies have attempted to estimate the price elasticity of demand for alcohol. While these have produced a range of estimates, the majority agree that alcohol conforms to the law of demand, but that it is relatively inelastic. In other words, raising alcohol prices reduces alcohol consumption, but typically the fall in consumption is proportionately a lot smaller than the increase in prices. Research has also shown that amongst heavy drinkers a 1% increase in prices only leads to a 0.28% drop in alcohol consumption. As any economist will tell you, trying to use price to reduce consumption when demand is inelastic is almost always a futile policy. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223 Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact' The introduction of minimum pricing of alcohol has had a lasting impact in Scotland and is starting to have an effect in Wales, a study has found. Researchers found alcohol sales in Scotland fell by 7.7% after minimum pricing was brought in, when compared with the north east of England. In Wales there was an 8.6% decrease in sales when compared with the west of England. Edited November 19, 2021 by Baxter Parp 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223 Minimum unit alcohol price has 'lasting impact' The introduction of minimum pricing of alcohol has had a lasting impact in Scotland and is starting to have an effect in Wales, a study has found. Researchers found alcohol sales in Scotland fell by 7.7% after minimum pricing was brought in, when compared with the north east of England. In Wales there was an 8.6% decrease in sales when compared with the west of England.You missed that the same study found that "the exception to this was those in high-purchasing, low-income homes, who did not seem to change their habits."PHS have also found that deprivation was linked to drinking-related illness, with the rates for both alcohol-related hospital stays and deaths eight times higher in the most deprived parts of Scotland compared to the least deprived areas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 30 minutes ago, bendan said: Young people today are drinking quite a bit less than their parents' generation. We can't really expect education to have an immediate effect. They are also using more recreational drugs (albeit that is my anecdotal take). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You missed that the same study found that "the exception to this was those in high-purchasing, low-income homes, who did not seem to change their habits." So it's not targeted at low-income households after all? Good to nail that lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 So it's not targeted at low-income households after all? Good to nail that lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I cannot use my words. Oh dear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 55 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: So it's not targeted at low-income households after all? Good to nail that lie. What a strange take. The policy is supposed to be a health policy to reduce alcohol consumption. The very people that it is targeted at are not being affected by it. By any rational logic, the policy is failing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Oh dear.No.I'm not arguing with a moron who agrees like a fucking a simpleton with everything the Scottish Government does.I left the SNP the day they brought in vaccine passports - and because of the increasingly autocratic tendencies within the party.I know unionists jokingly accuse it of being a cult, but f**k me, it's close to the truth.It's you and your kind who resort to sycophantic drivel that will ultimately drive voters from the SNP.Hopefully after independence. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, strichener said: What a strange take. The policy is supposed to be a health policy to reduce alcohol consumption. The very people that it is targeted at are not being affected by it. By any rational logic, the policy is failing. Researchers found alcohol sales in Scotland fell by 7.7% after minimum pricing was brought in, when compared with the north east of England. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Researchers found alcohol sales in Scotland fell by 7.7% after minimum pricing was brought in, when compared with the north east of England. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57293223Which wasn't those in deprivation who are the most affected by alcohol-related illness.The point you keep missing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I'm not arguing with a moron who agrees like a fucking a simpleton with everything the Scottish Government does. You can't, so you use pictures. 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I left the SNP the day they brought in vaccine passports Because health and safety measures like seatbelts or motorbike helmets impinge on muh freedums! 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I know unionists jokingly accuse it of being a cult, but f**k me, it's close to the truth. It's you and your kind who resort to sycophantic drivel that will ultimately drive voters from the SNP. You're close to Trumpian, mate. That's the irony. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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