Wee Bully Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Whilst numbers have gone down, it's far too early to tell whether it's the introduction of this policy which has done this or not. Experts on that article are saying exactly that. Read the article properly guys.[emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 The target wasn't to cut drinking it was to cut problem drinking. There is no way to tell if people with alcohol problems have reduced their intake or if the reduction is down low income people who drink responsibly being priced out. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Surely the real mark of the 'success' of this measure would b a drop in deaths from alcoholic liver disease, a reduction in domestic violence, a reduction in violent crime where alcohol is a factor. Simply people buying less alcohol isn't really a great success. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Does anyone know how they define how much alcohol has been bought in Scotland? Is it as basic as amount of bottles sold and pub sales? Amount of duty collected? Pretty meaningless statistics in isolation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Paco said: Does anyone know how they define how much alcohol has been bought in Scotland? Is it as basic as amount of bottles sold and pub sales? Amount of duty collected? Pretty meaningless statistics in isolation. Presumably they used the same techniques as last year, and the year before. You can download all the data here. http://www.healthscotland.scot/publications/mesas-monitoring-report-2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Graph I have seen is litres of pure alcohol per adult.If it doesn’t take into account pub numbers/some sort of modelling for tourism/spread of major events etc then there’s little point in bothering to look at it. Not that any of this is really a comment on minimum pricing, any fall is good but it might not mean much or indeed anything in reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Surely the real mark of the 'success' of this measure would b a drop in deaths from alcoholic liver disease, a reduction in domestic violence, a reduction in violent crime where alcohol is a factor. Simply people buying less alcohol isn't really a great success.It's all difficult to measure though, and it's going to be small, incremental steps in the right direction...hopefully. These things take time to make a difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Whilst numbers have gone down, it's far too early to tell whether it's the introduction of this policy which has done this or not. Experts on that article are saying exactly that. Read the article properly guys.[emoji23]His response was pretty reasonable. It's a positive sign but absolutely too early to crack open the bucky (so to speak). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 As the great lady says: https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1141249013615906816 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Why do you think so on first point? Agree on 2nd point it's early days but any drop is encouraging.Standard variation. Tourism numbers could be higher, there could be a year where there was a particularly large number of major events (eg Ryder Cup, the Open, Commonwealth Games, Olympics, larger numbers of festivals/stadium gigs, etc) in comparison to current years, whisky exports could be greater meaning less demand from tourists visiting, population numbers can move, demographics can change, etc etc. Without anything built in you can read things into results that just aren’t there. As I say, any fall is good, but some of the definitive commentary I’ve seen on this is just wrong. Nicola Sturgeon’s tweet is a good summary of the matter to be honest. Nice to see some cautious restraint from a politician when a study/poll/stat can be used in their favour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Sow fantastic concern trolling going on here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Whilst numbers have gone down, it's far too early to tell whether it's the introduction of this policy which has done this or not. Experts on that article are saying exactly that. Read the article properly guys.To be fair he only said it “looks like” it’s working. Which agrees with ”encouraging early indicators” observed by the NHS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Sow fantastic concern trolling going on here Yup. There’s some really odd support for paternal government here, from people who seem to have terrible problems with people using the same toilet, from people who regard Jamie Oliver as a Tory but praise Sturgeon for “caring about the health of the people”. It’s almost as if this is an entirely party-line issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Yup. There’s some really odd support for paternal government here, from people who seem to have terrible problems with people using the same toilet, from people who regard Jamie Oliver as a Tory but praise Sturgeon for “caring about the health of the people”. It’s almost as if this is an entirely party-line issue. I'm glad to see that the civil war is over and the SNP are back to being mindless drones, frankly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Figures released today show that the number of alcohol specific deaths rose for the same period that sales fell. Some of that period was following the introduction of minimum unit pricing.Deaths rose from 1,120 to 1,136. The model for MUP expected a drop in this figure after the first year. As with the consumption figures though, I don’t think conclusions can be drawn on MUP from this. Worth sharing though.Amazing looking at the document, between the late 70s and early 90s there were around 350-400 alcohol specific deaths per year but the figure has been around 1,000-1,200 since then. Must’ve been some sort of change in how they count them or have we all become massive bevvy merchants in the last 30odd years? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Forgot to add the link to my posthttps://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/alcohol-deaths/2018/alcohol-specific-deaths-18-main-points.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Forgot to add the link to my posthttps://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/alcohol-deaths/2018/alcohol-specific-deaths-18-main-points.pdf Switching from White Lightening to White Spirit due to the minimum pricing imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Switching from White Lightening to White Spirit due to the minimum pricing imo.That’s certainly what I’ve been doing.Sad thing is there are people who would do that. What a world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Figures released today show that the number of alcohol specific deaths rose for the same period that sales fell. Some of that period was following the introduction of minimum unit pricing.Deaths rose from 1,120 to 1,136. The model for MUP expected a drop in this figure after the first year. As with the consumption figures though, I don’t think conclusions can be drawn on MUP from this. Worth sharing though.Amazing looking at the document, between the late 70s and early 90s there were around 350-400 alcohol specific deaths per year but the figure has been around 1,000-1,200 since then. Must’ve been some sort of change in how they count them or have we all become massive bevvy merchants in the last 30odd years?Dozens of factors but I’m going to throw deindustrialisation in there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Dozens of factors but I’m going to throw deindustrialisation in there. People drink themselves to death because they're no longer at risk of falling into vats of molten steel? Plausible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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