Jacksgranda Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, strichener said: "Westminster tax grab" Sorry, credibility lost right there. Taking UKBad to the same gutter as Phil and his SNPBad. If the price hadn't been increased by the Scottish Government, there would be nothing to "grab", surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 13 hours ago, strichener said: "Westminster tax grab" Sorry, credibility lost right there. Taking UKBad to the same gutter as Phil and his SNPBad. 13 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: If the price hadn't been increased by the Scottish Government, there would be nothing to "grab", surely? Next time I use hyperbole to try to get a reply from the troll (instead of him posting yet another pathetic meme), shall I tell you two first? Maybe I can add a smiley or something. Interesting to note that Strichiner believes that a truthful exaggeration is equal to Phil's out and out lies though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Next time I use hyperbole to try to get a reply from the troll (instead of him posting yet another pathetic meme), shall I tell you two first? Maybe I can add a smiley or something. Interesting to note that Strichiner believes that a truthful exaggeration is equal to Phil's out and out lies though. Truthful exaggeration? What part is exaggerated rather than just "out and out lies"? Quite simply there is not "an additional tax grab". Edited May 6, 2018 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, strichener said: Truthful exaggeration? What part is exaggerated rather than just "out and out lies"? Quite simply there is not "an additional tax grab". The VAT on £5.29 is £0.88. The VAT on £3.99 is £0.66. That additional £0.22 is payable to the UK Treasury. Is that not a tax increase? Has the Treasury not 'grabbed' an additional £0.22 in tax from the purchaser? Please explain your reasoning why you consider my statement to be a lie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 The VAT on £5.29 is £0.88. The VAT on £3.99 is £0.66. That additional £0.22 is payable to the UK Treasury. Is that not a tax increase? Has the Treasury not 'grabbed' an additional £0.22 in tax from the purchaser? Please explain your reasoning why you consider my statement to be a lie. Clever work but it does rely on the assumption that consumption will remain the same at £5.29 as at £3.99 If it falls by 25% in response to the price hike then it will be neutral in terms of the tax rate. Anything further than that and it would actually reduce the tax take. We won’t know the net effect until it’s been running for a while It also ignores the fact that the Scottish Government is implementing the policy but the UK Treasury takes the tax so “tax grab” is clearly something of a misnomer even if there is more tax collected 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Clever work but it does rely on the assumption that consumption will remain the same at £5.29 as at £3.99 If it falls by 25% in response to the price hike then it will be neutral in terms of the tax rate Aye, I'll give you that point. But with regard to the specific bottle in question, I was factually correct. Next time I'm in Lidl in Oban, I'll pay my extra £0.22 to Her Majesty's Government. I hope she spends it well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Aye, I'll give you that point. But with regard to the specific bottle in question, I was factually correct. Next time I'm in Lidl in Oban, I'll pay my extra £0.22 to Her Majesty's Government. I hope she spends it well. If you’re now having to go past the £5 barrier anyway you might want to try one of the other wines that are now in your price bracket. They’ve got a Chianti at £5.49 which no longer represents a premium price for you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: If you’re now having to go past the £5 barrier anyway you might want to try one of the other wines that are now in your price bracket. You might even consider something at 12% as opposed to 13% and save a little money Nah. I'll stick with this old favourite 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Nah. I'll stick with this old favourite It might kill you But the cremation will be awesome 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 20 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: The VAT on £5.29 is £0.88. The VAT on £3.99 is £0.66. That additional £0.22 is payable to the UK Treasury. Is that not a tax increase? Has the Treasury not 'grabbed' an additional £0.22 in tax from the purchaser? Please explain your reasoning why you consider my statement to be a lie. It would have been accurate to state that "The Scottish Government have handed a tax windfall to the treasury." It is possible that we have completely different understanding for the phrase "tax grab" and the word "grab" in particular. Look on the positive side, given the number of alcoholic Scots (based on UK stereotypes), the Scottish government will assist the UK government in reducing the tax/GDP ratio - Tartan Tories 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 On 04/05/2018 at 22:58, D.A.F.C said: If you want to pay less in tax from drinking you could just drink less? Nah it's Scotland waahhhey drink drink drink Why should someone who drinks responsibly be forced to drink less? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Why should someone who drinks responsibly be forced to drink less? Responsible, if we're going by the guidelines is 14 units a week? So at 50p a unit, that's £7 top end. Even that boy that supports Hearts whose name I can remember can afford that without too much issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Make your own booze out of stuff you found outside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 So we're in agreement this is open theft by the SNP, and targeting the poor to boot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 2 hours ago, eez-eh said: Why should someone who drinks responsibly be forced to drink less? Absolutely no one is forcing you to drink less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 2 hours ago, eez-eh said: Why should someone who drinks responsibly be forced to drink less? Why would someone who drinks responsibly be bothered by 50p MUP? A bottle of frosty jacks has the same alcohol as 9 pints of Stella. The govt can't legislate based upon the half dozen auld dicks milking a bottle of Tesco vodka for a year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Why would someone who drinks responsibly be bothered by 50p MUP? A bottle of frosty jacks has the same alcohol as 9 pints of Stella. The govt can't legislate based upon the half dozen auld dicks milking a bottle of Tesco vodka for a year. Could have created Beer Tokens, it would have been as effective as this is likely to be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Why would someone who drinks responsibly be bothered by 50p MUP? A bottle of frosty jacks has the same alcohol as 9 pints of Stella. The govt can't legislate based upon the half dozen auld dicks milking a bottle of Tesco vodka for a year. Is that you insulting GD? [emoji48] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Responsible, if we're going by the guidelines is 14 units a week? So at 50p a unit, that's £7 top end. Even that boy that supports Hearts whose name I can remember can afford that without too much issue. I believe Paulo is now earning almost £10 an hour these days. He'll be even more minted once he becomes an astrophysicist for Elon Musk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: 3 hours ago, carpetmonster said: Responsible, if we're going by the guidelines is 14 units a week? So at 50p a unit, that's £7 top end. Even that boy that supports Hearts whose name I can remember can afford that without too much issue. I believe Paulo is now earning almost £10 an hour these days. He'll be even more minted once he becomes an astrophysicist for Elon Musk. Was it not him who came up with a brilliant scheme to screw the bookies? If so he won't have to work for anyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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