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36 minutes ago, railwayend said:

I am also being told that we may be losing one of our players to a championship rival quite soon ....Not sure about this one ,but in the context of a £150K black hole who knows ....

Think you will find this is a misinterpretation, looks like we are going to lose a potential signing to a championship rival , my latest information is that this is about 50/50 whereas at the weekend it was nearly a done deal that he was going to rival ( Dundee)

The only other is an ex player ( Shankland) who Dundee United are interested in but he is almost certainly going down south 

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1 minute ago, Robbo63 said:

Think you will find this is a misinterpretation, looks like we are going to lose a potential signing to a championship rival , my latest information is that this is about 50/50 whereas at the weekend it was nearly a done deal that he was going to rival ( Dundee)

Who?

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13 minutes ago, rb123! said:

How much did you get for him just to depress us Ayr fans a bit more.

Undisclosed. We had a few EFL clubs in for him, so hopefully we got a wee bidding war going. 

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27 minutes ago, Robbo63 said:

Think you will find this is a misinterpretation, looks like we are going to lose a potential signing to a championship rival , my latest information is that this is about 50/50 whereas at the weekend it was nearly a done deal that he was going to rival ( Dundee)

The only other is an ex player ( Shankland) who Dundee United are interested in but he is almost certainly going down south 

Good update Kaveh Solhekol.

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Reading the comments here tonight and not seeing anything official including the Ayrshire Post, I'm gathering that our budget has been dramatically cut for this season ?

Is this fact or rumour ?

If it's fact it's certainly rather bizarre timing from a PR perspective, given that our season tickets have just gone on sale ?

"come on guys, buy your season tickets for a relegation battle, we've no ambition and mere survival is the best we can hope for" 

Is that the message we want to be sending out ???

As for the 3rd / 4th thing from last season, No, I'm not having that since the club finished at least 3 or 4 places higher than anyone expected.

I seriously hope this is all just a storm in a teacup as for the first time in years I honestly believed the club was on the up and people were all pulling together, there was a good feeling again at matches, the crowds were returning and the interest from youngsters especially was a great deal more than it's been in years. What we don't need is a return of all the negativity and in fighting that's blighted the club in recent years, so as I say, I hope this is just over reaction and the club can consolidate and grow in the Championship with a decent product on the park.........

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The team had to outplay their budget last season to finish where they did. It stands to reason this year would be the same. With two part time teams in the league and QoS seemingly floundering a little it makes sense to roll back the investment for twelve months when the risk of relegation is low. Maybe they get lucky again as well. 

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The more I think of it the more this full reduced budget thing makes no sence. 1 when Shankland signed on last year no one could have imagined the start to the season he would have and only a few months later we would be rejecting bids of hundreds of thousands for him, if I'm not wrong was it not reported a bit like Dobbie one of the director's were funding his wages? So we don't have a black hole there from a potential transfer fee because we never anticipated one in the first place. 2 the £100,000 we apparently lost by being knocked out of the Scottish cup by Talbot how would anybody know what team we would have got in the cup at the start of the season we could have easily got a team in our league like Queens etc and been knocked out without it being sone big shock and let's be honest our Scottish cup record has not been great recently so why would we expect some great run. 3 The prize money we lost for losing out on 3rd the main aim at the start of the season was 8th surely we smashed the prize money that we assumed we would get anything above the £200,000 for 8th place was a bonus. 4 We didn't exactly go out and break the bank to try and get promoted Muirhead was our only permanent signing and I can't see us putting a lot of money to the wages of either Miller or Cadden. 5 according to Wikipedia our attendance went up by 35% last season that long with whatever TV money we got must have been a good deal more than what we got in league 1. So in conclusion either McCall is bluffing so agents/players aren't holding out for silly money or their is something very wrong behind the scenes

 

 

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This is fantasy stuff. Any 'extra' money raised last year was spent last year. The club doesn't run at a profit.

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6 hours ago, Superhursy7 said:

The more I think of it the more this full reduced budget thing makes no sence. 1 when Shankland signed on last year no one could have imagined the start to the season he would have and only a few months later we would be rejecting bids of hundreds of thousands for him, if I'm not wrong was it not reported a bit like Dobbie one of the director's were funding his wages? So we don't have a black hole there from a potential transfer fee because we never anticipated one in the first place. 2 the £100,000 we apparently lost by being knocked out of the Scottish cup by Talbot how would anybody know what team we would have got in the cup at the start of the season we could have easily got a team in our league like Queens etc and been knocked out without it being sone big shock and let's be honest our Scottish cup record has not been great recently so why would we expect some great run. 3 The prize money we lost for losing out on 3rd the main aim at the start of the season was 8th surely we smashed the prize money that we assumed we would get anything above the £200,000 for 8th place was a bonus. 4 We didn't exactly go out and break the bank to try and get promoted Muirhead was our only permanent signing and I can't see us putting a lot of money to the wages of either Miller or Cadden. 5 according to Wikipedia our attendance went up by 35% last season that long with whatever TV money we got must have been a good deal more than what we got in league 1. So in conclusion either McCall is bluffing so agents/players aren't holding out for silly money or their is something very wrong behind the scenes

 

 

The club also spent a lot more on doing up the ground than any other period of time I can remember, new PA system, #thenewwall and new electronic scanner gates.  All to make the ground Premiership compliant.  There was a cost to our overachieving. 

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This is fantasy stuff. Any 'extra' money raised last year was spent last year. The club doesn't run at a profit.

This is a point that I don’t think enough people realise.

It’s not a case of at the end of the season the club are handed the £325,000 and Cameron just gives it all to McCall. The money is fished out over the season so most of it is probably spent already.

Add that to the fact that the club pushed the boat out last summer to hold onto Shankland, Crawford and McDaid etc so it wasn’t going to be a case of those 3 leave and all their money suddenly goes on new players.

As itzdrk says the stuff that the club have done for the ground is probably more expensive than people realise as well.

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I'm not not thinking we should be be flush and throwing money about but you would think we would have a similar budget to last season.

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I go back to our disappointing attendance. We were top for ages but we didn't see any great improvement.

The town just isn't backing the team enough unfortunately, as infuriating as that is.

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5 minutes ago, Superhursy7 said:

I'm not not thinking we should be be flush and throwing money about but you would think we would have a similar budget to last season.

It would be pure lunacy to give us a similar budget to last season, which will have increased as the season went on through a variety of factors. I have a feeling that if we put together a decent cup run and are sitting relatively close to 4th in January then we'll see some decent reinforcements coming in. 

The teams* who should  be at the top end of this league have budgets that will dwarf ours given their general size. It is going to be a slow burn to get Ayr up to that level and won't happen in the space of 1 season. The sensible thing to do this season is stay within our means, remain competitive and if the opportunity presents itself have a crack at the playoffs. 

The best teams like Ayr / Morton / QotS can reasonably expect this season is mid table with a good cup run, we had the added bonus last year of a blistering start. Alloa arguably overachieved last term and will probably have a similar showing mixing it up with any FT team that struggles. I wouldn't be too disappointed with P5-8 as long as we compete, have a solid cup run to fill up the coffers a little and build a foundation for next season where we can hopefully push for the playoffs again. 

* Partick / Dundee United / Dundee and to an extent ICT & Dunfermline with their new found millions from selling Longridge. 

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3 minutes ago, Hawk89 said:

It would be pure lunacy to give us a similar budget to last season, which will have increased as the season went on through a variety of factors. I have a feeling that if we put together a decent cup run and are sitting relatively close to 4th in January then we'll see some decent reinforcements coming in. 

The teams* who should  be at the top end of this league have budgets that will dwarf ours given their general size. It is going to be a slow burn to get Ayr up to that level and won't happen in the space of 1 season. The sensible thing to do this season is stay within our means, remain competitive and if the opportunity presents itself have a crack at the playoffs. 

The best teams like Ayr / Morton / QotS can reasonably expect this season is mid table with a good cup run, we had the added bonus last year of a blistering start. Alloa arguably overachieved last term and will probably have a similar showing mixing it up with any FT team that struggles. I wouldn't be too disappointed with P5-8 as long as we compete, have a solid cup run to fill up the coffers a little and build a foundation for next season where we can hopefully push for the playoffs again. 

* Partick / Dundee United / Dundee and to an extent ICT & Dunfermline with their new found millions from selling Longridge. 

With the budget we’ve been allegedly given the only place we’ll be finishing is 10th. 

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With the budget we’ve been allegedly given the only place we’ll be finishing is 10th. 
But we wont have the lowest budget? Maybe 7th or 8th lowest budget. Last season we were 9th lowest I think?

I do find it strange why the budget has been cut though. Thought it would have stayed similar or slightly more than last season.

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2 hours ago, itzdrk said:

The club also spent a lot more on doing up the ground than any other period of time I can remember, new PA system, #thenewwall and new electronic scanner gates.  All to make the ground Premiership compliant.  There was a cost to our overachieving. 

The new PA system and wall was coveted by the lottery I’m sure.

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Maybe the new online/electronic ticketing has cost a lot more than you would think, any way as I said tonight with the chairman will be interesting as we all know Lachlan is no shrinking violet and will call bullshit if he hears it.images.jpeg

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Just seen the post McCall is not quoted saying has vastly reduced budget he's says we are competing with teams with bigger budgets, the person writing the article says it's reduced, don't know if the post is adding 2+2 and getting 5

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