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Can we all agree the term ‘on paper’ is banned from this thread as clearly it means nothing.
"In theory"?

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"on the club laptop"?

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Not sure why anyone expected players under contract to be released yesterday.

Would be surprised if any player agreed to rip up their 2 year contract when the season isn't even over for everyone and they won't likely sign for anyone else until June/July. The other option of the club paying up a years worth isn't exactly sensible when you can pay them for a couple of months and hope they find a new club themselves for next season.

Only recent player I can remember leaving with a year left was Harkins and that wasn't announced until June when he already had his move to Morton lined up.

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I agree with this comment but it is critical that the ones he can get in are the right type and players he trusts hence Jacobs at Morton and the goalie at Morton will be high on his list. The players on the two year contracts are easy sorted, no wage increment and reward the ones who he trusts with a wage rise, the players not on a wage rise will be actively looking for a club and moving on if they can, failing that we are stuck with them.

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1 hour ago, GaryMc93 said:

Not sure why anyone expected players under contract to be released yesterday.

You're making a bit of an assumption here.

I don't think anyone expected them to be released. However, a statement along the lines of discussions continue with under contract players or such would have left it open. As it reads it seems they are all being retained which is counter to what was mooted a couple of weeks back.

You are right it would be madness to tear up a contract and pay them off. You can still find a home for them at other clubs. No-one was actually suggesting the club pay them off though. 

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I'd suspect anyone they might be looking to offload may be told they can find a new club, and as and when they do it'll announced. Surely few players at this level would be happy to shitebag it and run down a contract without any game time.

Not sure how many that may apply to. Going by the end of the season, Murdoch's limited minutes may suggest Hopkik doesnt fancy him. But then again, Murdoch is a good player that was coming back from a horrible injury. Houston played quite a bit towards the end of the season and may improve, Reading was much better as well. Chalmers maybe?

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1 hour ago, Lochwood said:

I agree with this comment but it is critical that the ones he can get in are the right type and players he trusts hence Jacobs at Morton and the goalie at Morton will be high on his list. The players on the two year contracts are easy sorted, no wage increment and reward the ones who he trusts with a wage rise, the players not on a wage rise will be actively looking for a club and moving on if they can, failing that we are stuck with them.

Any players under contract and seemed surplus to requirements will be told they won't get much game time and to find a club. Your suggestion would lead to division and could possibly be illegal, depending on the contract.

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34 minutes ago, super_carson said:

I'd suspect anyone they might be looking to offload may be told they can find a new club, and as and when they do it'll announced. Surely few players at this level would be happy to shitebag it and run down a contract without any game time.

Not sure how many that may apply to. Going by the end of the season, Murdoch's limited minutes may suggest Hopkik doesnt fancy him. But then again, Murdoch is a good player that was coming back from a horrible injury. Houston played quite a bit towards the end of the season and may improve, Reading was much better as well. Chalmers maybe?

Yeah I doubt many would be happy to run their deal down. If they got a two year deal elsewhere it’s possibly a pay rise and an extra year security. Can’t imagine many players were happy with last season and some won’t like Hopkins style of play. Would expect a few to move on and Zannatta has proven other teams will be interested 

Edited by AyrExile

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Illegal my a—-  Red they negotiated a two year deal last year what business rewards failure none that I know club would be well within there rights. Division that’s a laugh if Hopkin gets it right the ones he wants away won’t kick a ball and warm the bench so they’ll no be happy and moaning , there agents will have them out as quick as.

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1 minute ago, Lochwood said:

Illegal my a—-  Red they negotiated a two year deal last year what business rewards failure none that I know club would be well within there rights. Division that’s a laugh if Hopkin gets it right the ones he wants away won’t kick a ball and warm the bench so they’ll no be happy and moaning , there agents will have them out as quick as.

Read the last few words of my post - "depending on the contract".  If the agreed terms state that the player is entitled to an increase then that has to be honoured, unless there is some sort of get out clause.  To do otherwise would at the very least cause reputational damage, perhaps making it more difficult to attract new player. It might also end up in the courts, with the chances of the player winning being far greater than Tiffoney's a couple of years ago. Contracts exist for a reason.

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With players being released and a couple of loans going back to their parent clubs and also with the possibility of maybe one or two under contract players leaving then I think there is still plenty of scope for Hopkin to put his own mark on things. As it stands I’d say Reading, Muirhead and McCowan (if he stays) will be starters and potentially Todd if he signs on permanently. I think also one of Chalmers and Murdoch will end up starting most matches but that’s about it.

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Hypothetically an eleven not to dissimilar to below , in a 5-3-2....

1. Scott Fox

2. Jordon Houston  

3. Paddy Reading

4. Aero 

5. Alan Lithgow cpt

6.  Jack Baird 

7. Josh Todd

8. Kyle Jacobs 

9. Inness Cameron 

10. Craig Moore/ Mark McKenzie 

11. Nicky Cadden 

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McCowan is a difficult one to evaluate, as an individual he's got bags of talent and in the side which featured Moffat (at his best), Forrest, Moore and Kelly / Doc etc, he linked up brilliantly and looked a real star, however last season when our style changed he did very little to influence the games and didn't score enough goals or create enough for others while still showing the odd flash of individual brilliance of course so in the future Hopkin setup the jury is out for me.

If Walsh re-signs he's going to have to get more involved and impose himself on games as the guy has talent but just wasn't showing it for us last year at all, so another one I would take it or leave it.

Looking at what played for us and what was turning out for opponents last season, I believe Moore could be a real star given the dearth of talent so really hope he re-signs and keeps injury free.

Priorities for me remain a solid Goalkeeper (Doohan preferably) , a hard man in the middle of the park, a dominating CH, a playmaker and a striker who can put himself around.

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Presuming everyone offered a contract re-signs then that’ll take us to a squad of 15.  I suspect Hewitt, Ecrepont and Smith may go out on loan so that takes us to 12. The ideal squad number at this level is probably 21 so we’re looking at 9 players coming in.

2x GK’s 

2x CB

Fullback

Centre Mid

Winger 

2 strikers 

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32 minutes ago, ayrunitedfw said:

Presuming everyone offered a contract re-signs then that’ll take us to a squad of 15.  I suspect Hewitt, Ecrepont and Smith may go out on loan so that takes us to 12. The ideal squad number at this level is probably 21 so we’re looking at 9 players coming in.

2x GK’s 

2x CB

Fullback

Centre Mid

Winger 

2 strikers 

I would think 2 midfielders and 1 goalkeeper , likely have a younger goalkeeper on bench with the option to get a loanee if first choice gets injured 

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1 hour ago, Robbo63 said:

I would think 2 midfielders and 1 goalkeeper , likely have a younger goalkeeper on bench with the option to get a loanee if first choice gets injured 

Agree - we have seen how easy it is to get a loan keeper on short notice.  Would love the keeper to be someone young but with a bit of experience on a 2 year deal - Doohan keeps getting mentioned but he is still under contract at Celtic I think? McAdams off Morton if they go down surely seems perfect for a 2 year deal although may have better options.   Certainly something like that. 

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2 hours ago, ayrunitedfw said:

Presuming everyone offered a contract re-signs then that’ll take us to a squad of 15.  I suspect Hewitt, Ecrepont and Smith may go out on loan so that takes us to 12. The ideal squad number at this level is probably 21 so we’re looking at 9 players coming in.

2x GK’s 

2x CB

Fullback

Centre Mid

Winger 

2 strikers 

We're not going to sign 2 strikers if we've already got Moore, Moffatt and McKenzie signed up, will probably be another 1 

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Here, did folk really think the players who have a year left were going to agree to cancel their contract in May without another deal lined up somewhere else? :lol:

I’m sure Hopkin will have said to who he may be happy to let go that they can pursue a contract somewhere else and leave on a free if they agree terms elsewhere. 

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