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7 minutes ago, itzdrk said:

I don't agree with that at all, I wouldn't say he's one of the best defenders in the league but he's pretty much your average Championship centre half.  

I thought he was ok anytime he was called upon last season but has looked poor so far this season. Hopefully it’s just a case of him getting up to speed after not playing for so long.

BTW, just for the avoidance of doubt I wasn’t been entirely serious about the Kerr been sacked yet post last night. It was more tongue in cheek regarding the zoomers on the Somerset road end. Thanks for the reddies though 🤫 

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On the Stevie Bell leaving meaning a replacement should have been sought.....

To be fair to Mark Kerr, Bell only left a few weeks before the start of the season which meant most business had been done in regards to defenders being signed up by clubs. The only guys available to Kerr at the time would have been journeymen duds at the end of their career or young kids on loan who aren't going to bring that experienced head figure.

It'll also be unlikely to sign a player in the experienced calibre in January either unless there's a mutual termination of the contract between player and club due to a lack of play time. So i reckon it'll be unlikely we'll be able to get a Bell replacement in until next summer.

In the meantime get Corrie Ndaba on board in January, he's a highly rated guy and we obviously have links after trying to get him last January. Could do a lot worse than him IMO.

*Paul Lambert on Ndaba - Yes. I think he’s done great Corrie, I really do, but he’s bypassed Under-23s football now, I think he needs to get out there and play men’s football. That will bring him on. Hopefully we can get him a club that fits him and vice versa.”

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57 minutes ago, itzdrk said:

Ach, I'd have been very very mad if fans had been allowed to go to that, instead I had a wee sulk while the Edinburgh derby was on then I was over it.

Hopefully see a reaction against Dunfermline. 

I'll be fine by tomorrow. Its the manner of it that really irks me. Had we lost 3 - 1 with Morton scoring 3 when we were down to 10 men it would have been easier for me to take.

Its probably better for the team that there are no fans just now as Somerset would be on edge with defending like that and with a few donkeys screaming at the young guys it would probably make them even worse.

Hopefully they learn from it and channel it as motivation so it doesn't happen again.

1 hour ago, ayrunitedfw said:

I know Kerr has hinted we’ve finished our business but It’s clear we still need another centre back. Roscoe isn’t good enough for this level and Muirhead is a decent option but is a complete head case. 

I never take any of your posts seriously in any case. 😆

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17 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I'll be fine by tomorrow. Its the manner of it that really irks me. Had we lost 3 - 1 with Morton scoring 3 when we were down to 10 men it would have been easier for me to take.

Its probably better for the team that there are no fans just now as Somerset would be on edge with defending like that and with a few donkeys screaming at the young guys it would probably make them even worse.

Hopefully they learn from it and channel it as motivation so it doesn't happen again.

I never take any of your posts seriously in any case. 😆

I'm sure I'll have a great laugh picking it apart 😄

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54 minutes ago, rb123! said:

On the Stevie Bell leaving meaning a replacement should have been sought.....

To be fair to Mark Kerr, Bell only left a few weeks before the start of the season which meant most business had been done in regards to defenders being signed up by clubs. The only guys available to Kerr at the time would have been journeymen duds at the end of their career or young kids on loan who aren't going to bring that experienced head figure.

It'll also be unlikely to sign a player in the experienced calibre in January either unless there's a mutual termination of the contract between player and club due to a lack of play time. So i reckon it'll be unlikely we'll be able to get a Bell replacement in until next summer.

In the meantime get Corrie Ndaba on board in January, he's a highly rated guy and we obviously have links after trying to get him last January. Could do a lot worse than him IMO.

*Paul Lambert on Ndaba - Yes. I think he’s done great Corrie, I really do, but he’s bypassed Under-23s football now, I think he needs to get out there and play men’s football. That will bring him on. Hopefully we can get him a club that fits him and vice versa.”

I think all of that is true, but it only reenforces why it was in our interests to find a compromise with Bell.  He was always part time with us as I understand it and only signed a contract 6 weeks or so before it was decided (mutually, apparently), that it was impossible for him to continue.  Maybe Kerr just screwed up and didn’t recognise how inexperienced our defence would be without him.

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I think all of that is true, but it only reenforces why it was in our interests to find a compromise with Bell.  He was always part time with us as I understand it and only signed a contract 6 weeks or so before it was decided (mutually, apparently), that it was impossible for him to continue.  Maybe Kerr just screwed up and didn’t recognise how inexperienced our defence would be without him.

I don’t think there was much we could do. Bell felt he couldn’t commit to his contract with us and had made his mind up he wanted away. From what I’ve heard it’s not the first time he’s had doubts about whether or not he was able to keep playing for us but I think with the current circumstances with COVID he finally had to put his job outside of football first.

However I do agree that we are missing an experienced head in defence and Kerr would do well to bring someone like that in. I’m not sure theres many players like that out there right now.

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People on here have been justifying Muirhead at right back cover when he’s clearly not and is a bomb waiting to go off and surely now Kerr will realise Why have I given him a two year contract because there’s more of that to come. When we signed him Falkirk fans were clear he’s a nutter and don’t ever play him at right back, if weve only got youngsters to cover then so be it but stop playing Muirhead in positions he can’t play, and get him in to centre back and Roscoe to the bench where he should be.

When You look at the bench yesterday Kerr clearly hasn’t Got any depth and we've clearly signed players who are made of glass and will be nothing but a problem.

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We need a Bell of two season ago, his legs were waning last season and it probably played a part in his decision this season.

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2 minutes ago, Lochwood said:

People on here have been justifying Muirhead at right back cover when he’s clearly not and is a bomb waiting to go off and surely now Kerr will realise Why have I given him a two year contract because there’s more of that to come. When we signed him Falkirk fans were clear he’s a nutter and don’t ever play him at right back, if weve only got youngsters to cover then so be it but stop playing Muirhead in positions he can’t play, and get him in to centre back and Roscoe to the bench where he should be.

When You look at the bench yesterday Kerr clearly hasn’t Got any depth and we've clearly signed players who are made of glass and will be nothing but a problem.

I don't think Muirhead is any great organiser either, but out of the two the best option at CB.

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3 hours ago, rb123! said:

On the Stevie Bell leaving meaning a replacement should have been sought.....

To be fair to Mark Kerr, Bell only left a few weeks before the start of the season which meant most business had been done in regards to defenders being signed up by clubs. The only guys available to Kerr at the time would have been journeymen duds at the end of their career or young kids on loan who aren't going to bring that experienced head figure.

It'll also be unlikely to sign a player in the experienced calibre in January either unless there's a mutual termination of the contract between player and club due to a lack of play time. So i reckon it'll be unlikely we'll be able to get a Bell replacement in until next summer.

In the meantime get Corrie Ndaba on board in January, he's a highly rated guy and we obviously have links after trying to get him last January. Could do a lot worse than him IMO.

*Paul Lambert on Ndaba - Yes. I think he’s done great Corrie, I really do, but he’s bypassed Under-23s football now, I think he needs to get out there and play men’s football. That will bring him on. Hopefully we can get him a club that fits him and vice versa.”

Baird was signed to replace Bell 

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2 hours ago, HMIP said:

I think all of that is true, but it only reenforces why it was in our interests to find a compromise with Bell.  He was always part time with us as I understand it and only signed a contract 6 weeks or so before it was decided (mutually, apparently), that it was impossible for him to continue.  Maybe Kerr just screwed up and didn’t recognise how inexperienced our defence would be without him.

Certainly never screwed up , Bell made it clear he could not commit to the demands of full time training this season he felt getting nearer home and going to a part time club was best for him  for personal and work outside of football  reasons , club done the right thing on a personal basis and allowed it to happen , 

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Major overreaction to yesterday's result for me, in fact I was far more encouraged by what I witnessed yesterday than what I witnessed in our 2-1 victory over QOS, Yes, there's no doubt the final 7 minutes was a disaster and a kick in the teeth but that's football, these things happen.

Does anyone remember a certain match at Cappielow a few years back when Ayr were 3-1 down with just under 10 mins to go ?? 4-3 to the super it ended up if I'm not mistaken !!

The problem nowadays is that we're all pundits and pull apart every goal from a hundred angles and then play the blame game as if we're Gary Neville, the bottom line is that these things happen, mistakes are made and that's life, being honest it would be bloody boring otherwise.

So, let's dust ourselves down, stop feeling sorry for ourselves and look forward to going again against Dunfermline next week.

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30 minutes ago, Robbo63 said:

Baird was signed to replace Bell 

Oh dear....

Think our best CB pairing will be Muirhead alongside Baird so hopefully we line up like that after Muirhead suspension is over.

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20 minutes ago, rb123! said:

Oh dear....

Think our best CB pairing will be Muirhead alongside Baird so hopefully we line up like that after Muirhead suspension is over.

Sure that was his intention, Houston getting injured  forced the partnership change 

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Think it’s safe to say Roscoe has blown his chance as first choice LCB .  Muirhead will obviously move in there and either Houston or Miller should take over at right back . 

We are definitely on our arse at the moment , injures, suspensions a plenty , means we can’t get a settled team out . It’ll be interesting to see what kind of reaction Kerr gets from the team on Saturday. 

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1 hour ago, Robbo63 said:

Certainly never screwed up , Bell made it clear he could not commit to the demands of full time training this season he felt getting nearer home and going to a part time club was best for him  for personal and work outside of football  reasons , club done the right thing on a personal basis and allowed it to happen , 

Why was it necessary for him to commit to full time training?  If he was part time before I presume we were always willing to work round his work commitments the same way we were with Adams.  What changed over the Summer, particularly from the point he signed a contract that made it impossible for him to continue?  I appreciate the club may have done the right thing as you put it, but how hard did the club try to find a short term compromise?  Perhaps we could have asked him to give us 3 months until January when we might pick up a legitimate replacement?  Maybe Kerr didn’t screw up but maybe he put too much faith in the other options he had and decided it wasn’t worth going the extra mile for Bell.  Maybe all parties were just a victim of circumstance but it’s left us with a real problem as the defence looked ropey even before yesterday’s shambles.

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1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

Major overreaction to yesterday's result for me, in fact I was far more encouraged by what I witnessed yesterday than what I witnessed in our 2-1 victory over QOS, Yes, there's no doubt the final 7 minutes was a disaster and a kick in the teeth but that's football, these things happen.

Does anyone remember a certain match at Cappielow a few years back when Ayr were 3-1 down with just under 10 mins to go ?? 4-3 to the super it ended up if I'm not mistaken !!

The problem nowadays is that we're all pundits and pull apart every goal from a hundred angles and then play the blame game as if we're Gary Neville, the bottom line is that these things happen, mistakes are made and that's life, being honest it would be bloody boring otherwise.

So, let's dust ourselves down, stop feeling sorry for ourselves and look forward to going again against Dunfermline next week.

Fair commentary that and I was very happy for about 85 minutes yesterday (aside from Aero's sending off which was unnecessary). What I don't understand is Miller not getting a start - he's looked more than decent and could have been used to do a holding job once we went down to 10. Game management is something we need to learn, eleven or ten in black and white. 

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10 minutes ago, Jazzar said:

Fair commentary that and I was very happy for about 85 minutes yesterday (aside from Aero's sending off which was unnecessary). What I don't understand is Miller not getting a start - he's looked more than decent and could have been used to do a holding job once we went down to 10. Game management is something we need to learn, eleven or ten in black and white. 

Yes, I'd also agree with that, I think he may have had a knock as has been one of our best players so far this season, so can't think why he'd be left out.

If only we could get Liam Smith back as I think he'd be the answer to about 80% of our problems.

The irony of course is that all those who are having a meltdown on here would have had us as league winners after about 82 mins yesterday but as they say, it's a funny old game....

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