Hazbart Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Roxanne's man said: I agree with what you say, I'm like that with Roxanne and the term is used across Ayrshire as a slang for dirty. Though I also see what @Richey Edwardsis saying, it could possibly be perceived as something it isn't. I used to think it was cool as f**k to sing songs like that at school when I was younger, though it seems we've grown a sensitivity over the years. I wouldn't like to sing the song, knowing there's the possibility of offending someone. This is my point though. Society has moved on (or at least in some places) We should be able to use the word Black without fear of offending. unless you’re one of the snowflakes who went to a school without a blackboard, never sang baa baa black sheep, never had a black eye and never been black listed. black doesn’t have to be a race. Edited February 18, 2023 by Hazbart -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Someone get their da please. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Hazbart said: No, I’m saying we need to understand that black does not need to mean skin colour. Skin colour should not even be a consideration, those who cling onto it like some kind of weapon are the ones who have the issue. but go f**k yourself, clown. What do you reckon would be the reaction if that song was sung in a public place? You might not agree that the song is racist, but surely you see how ill-advised singing that particular song with that particular lyric is. Sounds pretty dodgy, doesn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazbart Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Richey Edwards said: What do you reckon would be the reaction if that song was sung in a public place? You might not agree that the song is racist, but surely you see how ill-advised singing that particular song with that particular lyric is. Sounds pretty dodgy, doesn't it? Most football songs are not appropriate to sing Ian public places….. ”we’re only here to drink your beer and shag your fucking women” I’m not condoning anything but it’s a fucking piss poor argument….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hazbart said: Most football songs are not appropriate to sing Ian public places….. ”we’re only here to drink your beer and shag your fucking women” I’m not condoning anything but it’s a fucking piss poor argument….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne's man Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Hazbart said: unless you’re one of the snowflakes who went to a school without a blackboard, never sang baa baa black sheep, never had a black eye and never been black listed. My daughter goes to a nursery where they sing 'Baa Baa Wooly sheep', they use a 'chalkboard' and if you get lamped, you'd have a 'shiner' and you'd have been blocked as opposed to black listed. Things have changed over the years as not to offend anyone, which is fair I guess. Cultural Appropriation perhaps? The song itself, yes, we all know it but maybe a small change could be good for the long term. We all know it's not meant to be viewed as racist. We're certainly not racist as Kilmarnock is not a race..... Just an affront to Humankind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Put yourself in the shoes of a player who's not from Ayrshire. What are you going to think when you hear that song? Clue: it won't be "oh that must be a charming local phrase". 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munro7 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Hazbart said: This is my point though. Society has moved on (or at least in some places) We should be able to use the word Black without fear of offending. unless you’re one of the snowflakes who went to a school without a blackboard, never sang baa baa black sheep, never had a black eye and never been black listed. black doesn’t have to be a race. Except in the song “black” is being used as an insult. That is always going to have racial connotations regardless of the background and should be immediately binned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Phase 1 of Lee Bullen’s tenure has been a fundamental success, with real progress from where we were a year ago. But phase 2 is going to require a complete re-think from Bullen and his coaching team. The standard of our passing is simply deplorable with our overall tactics incredibly limited. A punt up the park to Dipo and little else. Lining up with a 3 man midfield last week against an Elgin team that was content to park the bus was a mistake. But going to a midfield 2 this week against Patrick’s 3 is another mistake going the other way. Mullen and JML completely invisible. We know Mullin is fundamentally a good player, but I’m struggling to understand the obsession with JML - O’Connor must be scratching his head. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne's man Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nelson said: O’Connor must be scratching his head. As am I. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanayr1987 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Really missing chalmers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, ryanayr1987 said: Really missing chalmers Think that’s an excuse if I’m honest. Our whole approach is rank and one player isn’t going to change that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 We ain't getting out of this rut anytime soon. Team looks utterly rudderless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC19100 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Bullen has no clue. Why aren’t we starting O’Connor - he’s our most on form player right now. What even is the tactic anymore - Can’t see what we’re trying to do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUcal Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 O'Connor is the only player who seems to want to take a man on or find an attacking pass. Everything of note came from him in those last 15 minutes. Just play him Bullen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Come home Jobby. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, AuAl said: O'Connor is the only player who seems to want to take a man on or find an attacking pass. Everything of note came from him in those last 15 minutes. Just play him Bullen. The only possibly justifiable reason is that after having been out for a little bit he doesn't quite have 90mins in the tank yet. I don't know what it is, though, but I doubt it's that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Uncomfortable question.. Have we really improved that much under Bullen? There’s certainly more character and work effort from the team. But is the apparent progress mainly due to a Rolls Royce of a centre forward carrying a mediocre team combined with the general standard of the division coming back to meet us? It’s certainly the weakest championship I can remember for a long time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nelson said: Uncomfortable question.. Have we really improved that much under Bullen? League table says yes. Style of play and recent performances outwith the Cove games says no. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I don't see us beating anyone in this league on current form. Not even Cove. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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