The Ultimate Super Ayr Thread

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, diegomarahenry said:

It’ll tell them physical stats like distance and effort, this will be more technical based I’d guess. 
 

Other clubs have managers that can work this out by seeing the players play, then signing players that can provide what they need. Arbroath had none of this and finished miles ahead of us for example. 
It’s ok if you want long term development of players but it will probably be at the cost of short to medium term success. 

I firmly believe that all these "stats" are actually screwing the game right up and as we all know stats can be used to tell you whatever you want them to, but the reality is often much much different from what the stats would tell you. 

I wonder what Henry Templeton's stats would say ?

The only real stat that matters is the scoreline and maybe shots on goal and shots conceded but other than that I can't really see the benefit.

Mckenzie's stats tell you he runs around the most but if that's not translating into stopping attacks or starting attacks, or scoring goals or setting up goals then it's all pretty pointless.

Half the team can't cross a ball, beat a man or even pass it more than 10 yards, so I'd say those are far more important things to be working on and are surely quite simple to identify and sort.

Our shooting is also utterly horrendous, and again, surely a professional footballer can strike a ball properly ??

These issues aren't just isolated to Ayr as it seems that the current craze "right way to do things" is to concentrate on fitness and stats rather than get back to basics such as passing, crossing and striking a ball at goal. Even our set pieces are atrocious and again it's not just us, you hardly see a free kick being scored nowadays and that seems to be down to a combination of lack of ability and over complicating a simple game.

I'm now becoming as depressed with it all as everyone else.....

 

[THEHonestman1910]

40 minutes ago, AyrAtlanta said:

Not renewed my season ticket yet and I’ve just had a phone call from Musonda who says they’re phoning up folk to try and get them to renew

Yeah, my dad got a phone call from Bullen this afternoon and lasted around 20 minutes to convince him to purchase a season ticket. 

[Jeff Venom]

Obviously the mere presence of data doesn't itself improve anything, it's how it's used. 

We can stay in the dark ages if we want, or we can try and modernise off the park and squeeze out every marginal advantage we can with tools at our disposal. 

Sports performance data goes way beyond how far boys are running or how many passes they complete. It's an incredibly innovative industry involving all sorts of disciplines, not just counting GPS data. It's not going away either so long as it can be used to aid with injury prevention, for example, in sports like Rugby. 

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, Iain said:

I thought they had advanced software to tell them all of this stuff?

That just tells Bully how much running they have done.

[Trogdor]

55 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

I firmly believe that all these "stats" are actually screwing the game right up and as we all know stats can be used to tell you whatever you want them to, but the reality is often much much different from what the stats would tell you. 

I wonder what Henry Templeton's stats would say ?

The only real stat that matters is the scoreline and maybe shots on goal and shots conceded but other than that I can't really see the benefit.

Mckenzie's stats tell you he runs around the most but if that's not translating into stopping attacks or starting attacks, or scoring goals or setting up goals then it's all pretty pointless.

Half the team can't cross a ball, beat a man or even pass it more than 10 yards, so I'd say those are far more important things to be working on and are surely quite simple to identify and sort.

Our shooting is also utterly horrendous, and again, surely a professional footballer can strike a ball properly ??

These issues aren't just isolated to Ayr as it seems that the current craze "right way to do things" is to concentrate on fitness and stats rather than get back to basics such as passing, crossing and striking a ball at goal. Even our set pieces are atrocious and again it's not just us, you hardly see a free kick being scored nowadays and that seems to be down to a combination of lack of ability and over complicating a simple game.

I'm now becoming as depressed with it all as everyone else.....

 

[Hawk89]

17 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said:

Obviously the mere presence of data doesn't itself improve anything, it's how it's used. 

We can stay in the dark ages if we want, or we can try and modernise off the park and squeeze out every marginal advantage we can with tools at our disposal. 

Sports performance data goes way beyond how far boys are running or how many passes they complete. It's an incredibly innovative industry involving all sorts of disciplines, not just counting GPS data. It's not going away either so long as it can be used to aid with injury prevention, for example, in sports like Rugby. 

Coaching methods as well driven by this have really evolved over the past decade or so. England won their first penalty shoot out aided by adopting a pseudo NFL style coaching system with specialists covering narrow remits. I'm not suggesting we suddenly increase our backroom staff 10 fold of course, but, being able to identify our most glaring weaknesses and addressing them could be enough to become a serious contender in this league vs treading water and trying to stay ahead of the rising tide. 

[bazka6]

Smells like mccardles laptop to me 

[Curmudgeon]

1 hour ago, AyrAtlanta said:

Not renewed my season ticket yet and I’ve just had a phone call from Musonda who says they’re phoning up folk to try and get them to renew.

I was always going to renew anyway just haven’t got round to it yet but I like how proactive they’re being about it. If we’d had a league cup campaign like we’ve had in the past I reckon we could’ve hit 1300 at least.

Not heard an update on the numbers in a while which makes me think we’ll be less than a 1000. Entirely understandable with the shite that’s being served up

You should've suggested that he phone up Hamilton Accies. Maybe he could've got them to part with a couple of mill which would've made a decent transfer kitty for us.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Hawk89 said:

Coaching methods as well driven by this have really evolved over the past decade or so. England won their first penalty shoot out aided by adopting a pseudo NFL style coaching system with specialists covering narrow remits. I'm not suggesting we suddenly increase our backroom staff 10 fold of course, but, being able to identify our most glaring weaknesses and addressing them could be enough to become a serious contender in this league vs treading water and trying to stay ahead of the rising tide. 

Seriously !!!

Surely it's a 50/50 chance and down to whether a player bottles it or not, a goalie guesses the right way or someone slips as they hit the ball.

That's like me hiring a team of gurus to work out if the next roulette spin in the casino is coming up red or black !!!

[rgreig]

1 hour ago, diegomarahenry said:

Other clubs have managers that can work this out by seeing the players play, then signing players that can provide what they need. Arbroath had none of this and finished miles ahead of us for example. 

To me it is a positive step - a way to optimise what we can achieve with our playing squad (irrespective of the level we may think they are at individually). Look at how some sports have been absolutely revolutionised by used of data, a very obvious example being F1.

How many clubs in the championship have this capability already?

[AyrExile]

6 hours ago, Thumper said:

I don't understand what the board even want. They seem quite content for most of the support to think that the manager hasn't got a clue what he's doing, and for the club to live in or one place about the relegation zone while the club infrastructure is renovated. In that case it doesn't really matter who puts the bibs and cones out in the morning. That lends further credence to the lack of the need for a dedicated assistant manager for that job.

Unless a couple of big earners are added it does look like the wage bill is tight and cash is being directed at the off field development. I'm ok with this as part of a bigger plan. They do walk a fine line though as can't be a lot of distance away from the good work being undone

[AyrExile]

5 hours ago, diegomarahenry said:

I see the club are looking for a performance analyst. I’d happily do it for free. Turn up every Monday morning.

 

SHITE

 

See you next week lads. 
 

one comment from Bullens post match interview still rankles with me. we know there will be negativity, Oh, they have lost again, but we need to just block that out. 
 

If you are supposed to sell cars for a living and don’t sell any for 3 weeks in a row, try telling your boss to block out the negativity of not selling a car for 3 weeks. 

 

I thought this had already went live last year. Remember comments about Adeloye not covering enough ground and then he got a rest for a few weeks. Wasn't sure if the transfer guy did a bit of this alongside watching highlights of the  Isthmian league 

[Finlay21]

2 hours ago, Trogdor said:

That just tells Bully how much running they have done.

Along with heart rate , lung capacity , calories burned, blood pressure  , it’s not to make them better players it’s looking after their health and well being  which players get feedback daily 

[Finlay21]

1 hour ago, AyrExile said:

Unless a couple of big earners are added it does look like the wage bill is tight and cash is being directed at the off field development. I'm ok with this as part of a bigger plan. They do walk a fine line though as can't be a lot of distance away from the good work being undone

The playing budget and off field budget are 2 completely different entities , Bullens budget was decided  ages ago and has not changed , adding more to the backroom staff does not hinder signing players 

[OnlyAyrfaninTarbolton]

On a more positive note watched clip of David Bangala play against Lille F. C.... 

Looks a bit of a player... Hopefully get to see him for us soon.... Athletic and strong in tackle.... 

Think could be a bit of a find...

[rb123!]

1 minute ago, OnlyAyrfaninTarbolton said:

On a more positive note watched clip of David Bangala play against Lille F. C.... 

Looks a bit of a player... Hopefully get to see him for us soon.... Athletic and strong in tackle.... 

Think could be a bit of a find...

See Hibs are awaiting two new signings which are currently tied up in Visa red tape so we're not the only club affected

[diegomarahenry]

2 hours ago, rgreig said:

To me it is a positive step - a way to optimise what we can achieve with our playing squad (irrespective of the level we may think they are at individually). Look at how some sports have been absolutely revolutionised by used of data, a very obvious example being F1.

How many clubs in the championship have this capability already?

I'm not against the idea at all. It'll probably be slow to bear fruit though and we need improvement pretty quickly. 

[Trogdor]

17 minutes ago, OnlyAyrfaninTarbolton said:

On a more positive note watched clip of David Bangala play against Lille F. C.... 

Looks a bit of a player... Hopefully get to see him for us soon.... Athletic and strong in tackle.... 

Think could be a bit of a find...

That does sounds promising 

We really need a bit of quality to lift the whole team.

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3 hours ago, AyrExile said:

Unless a couple of big earners are added it does look like the wage bill is tight and cash is being directed at the off field development. I'm ok with this as part of a bigger plan. They do walk a fine line though as can't be a lot of distance away from the good work being undone

I'm pretty sure we had a budget set aside for Sibbald and also a bank breaking offer for McInroy and also cash for Adeloye had he decided to return.

We probably wouldn't have gone for both Sibbald and McInroy, however there must be cash for at least 1 "big" signing I'd think.

Identifying and actually getting this person is another matter entirely of course !!

 

[Lochwood]

Maxwell signing a two year deal as a LEFT BACK what he should have been when he played for us, outstanding for Queen of the South in that position and where did we play him, I rest my case.