flood Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Hawk89 said: He would be a very good signing for Kilmarnock where both parties would benefit, anything other than a move upto Premiership level would be a waste of time for him. He's got the potential to keep kicking on and the ability to hold his own in that league. I think he would be worth a punt. Where does he play mainly? Left/right/centre? Maybe a PCA, small fee and we could throw a youngster your way till end of season.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 I think he would be worth a punt. Where does he play mainly? Left/right/centre? Maybe a PCA, small fee and we could throw a youngster your way till end of season..Better on the left but I reckon he could do a job as a number 10.I think the other Killie fan was at the wind up tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrunitedfw Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Forrest has shown nothing to suggest he’s going enough for the premiership. I think he’s slightly over rated by Ayr fans due to him coming through the Academy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 Forrest has shown nothing to suggest he’s going enough for the premiership. I think he’s slightly over rated by Ayr fans due to him coming through the Academy. I’ll admit he’s had about 3 good games since McCall left and they’ve been against part timers. No doubt he started the season well but I think McCowan has been consistently better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, ayrunitedfw said: Forrest has shown nothing to suggest he’s going enough for the premiership. I think he’s slightly over rated by Ayr fans due to him coming through the Academy. If Crawford can play in the premier league so can Forrest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInTheAyr Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, 1nickydevlin said: then it's time for mcguuffie too step up .boys got loads of talent all he needs is too have a run of games in the 1st team .rant over . Every chance we could still be saying that about him in a couple of years. Dunno what the issue is with him but it can't all be down to injury. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) On home attendances, the last 5 seasons average: Quote 19/20 - Championship - 1,852 18/19 - Championship - 2,157 17/18 - League One - 1,533 16/17 - Championship - 1,866 15/16 - League One - 1,297 These figures are taken from https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/. I'm surprised at how flat 16/17 is compared to now. We obviously got a bump last year in the first half because of how we were playing. Also shows how much of a killer it is dropping into League One. Edited January 14, 2020 by Trogdor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Trogdor said: On home attendances, the last 5 seasons average: I'm surprised at how flat 16/17 is compared to now. We obviously got a bump last year in the first half because of how we were playing. Also shows how much of a killer it is dropping into League One. Best football for years last season and still only about 300 more than the season we were relegated ,our days of slightly over 2000 fans has long gone , can’t say it’s down to how we are playing as last season proves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: Best football for years last season and still only about 300 more than the season we were relegated ,our days of slightly over 2000 fans has long gone , can’t say it’s down to how we are playing as last season proves It's not just one factor. I suppose its a combination of people having other priorities be it family or work commitments, moving away from the area, altogether losing the actual habit of going to games and choosing to do other things with their spare time, the actual cost of attending games (not just the excessive entrance fees but food, travelling costs, it all adds up) . Its a combination of these things and probably more. Falling attendances was something that needed arresting 20, 30 or 40 years ago and for a variety of reasons not enough was done, at all levels of the senior game and by provincial clubs like us trying to buck the trend. How do you even begin to change people's habits who haven't been to games for that long to come back? Genuinely interested if it's thought to be even possible. I can't say I've noticed an effort by the club, and whilst appreciating there isn't staff sitting about waiting on a project to take on in order to make efforts to genuinely and consistently grow attendances. Just waiting for the first visionary who mentions a billboard at the Whitletts roundabout. Edited January 14, 2020 by BukyOHare 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb123! Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: Best football for years last season and still only about 300 more than the season we were relegated ,our days of slightly over 2000 fans has long gone , can’t say it’s down to how we are playing as last season proves Think if we had an owner who was wanting to invest and showing signs to get us to the premiership i think that would be a good starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccurdieboy Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Think if we had an owner who was wanting to invest and showing signs to get us to the premiership i think that would be a good starting point.I've never been a fan of the owner but I disagree with that as realistically we are not a big enough team to be thinking of the premiership we need to concentrate on solidating ourself as a championship team before even thinking that far forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, rb123! said: Think if we had an owner who was wanting to invest and showing signs to get us to the premiership i think that would be a good starting point. I'm starting to worry that a new owner is a bit of a pipe dream tbh. The club has been for sale for a number of years and surely last season would have been peak interest from the point of view of a new owner and there wasn't even a whisper of any interest (admittedly these things are conducted in private). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, rb123! said: Think if we had an owner who was wanting to invest and showing signs to get us to the premiership i think that would be a good starting point. No chance with him having the club up for sale for 3 years and no sound offers been made , the last 2 bidders went bankrupt within a year of offers , good job Cameron done due diligence checks or we potentially could playing 2nd division or folded by now ,if we can stay championship for at least another season someone might see our potential and invest at the moment nobody wants a yo yo team IMO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, BukyOHare said: It's not just one factor. I suppose its a combination of people having other priorities be it family or work commitments, moving away from the area, altogether losing the actual habit of going to games and choosing to do other things with their spare time, the actual cost of attending games (not just the excessive entrance fees but food, travelling costs, it all adds up) . Its a combination of these things and probably more. Falling attendances was something that needed arresting 20, 30 or 40 years ago and for a variety of reasons not enough was done, at all levels of the senior game and for provincial clubs like us. How do you even begin to change people's habits who haven't been to games for that long to come back? Genuinely interested if it's thought to be even possible. I can't say I've noticed an effort by the club, and whilst appreciating there isn't staff sitting about waiting on a project to take on in order to make efforts to genuinely and consistently grow attendances. Just waiting for the first visionary who mentions a billboard at the Whitletts roundabout. The bit in bold is important, we were so bad for so long and then even when we were good you would get a shitshow around Christmas where people traditionally do break the habit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHonestman1910 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: Best football for years last season and still only about 300 more than the season we were relegated ,our days of slightly over 2000 fans has long gone , can’t say it’s down to how we are playing as last season proves The old firm don't help even the one's who stay at home and watch on the TV Most grounds in this league are too overpriced for the calibre of football. The fact that we played big games last season on friday night's on council TV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 Think if we had an owner who was wanting to invest and showing signs to get us to the premiership i think that would be a good starting point.Nice avoidance of the a word there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rb123! said: Think if we had an owner who was wanting to invest and showing signs to get us to the premiership i think that would be a good starting point. Using your last post, how would you define investing? I'm guessing footing the bill for an attractive product on the park and relative success / over achieving, then in return get more people through the gate? Now like it or not, the first parts are happening and has been happening for the best part of three seasons, the second part sadly isn't. I'm definitely not a club apologist but sometimes you have to try and bring some sanity to the party. I'll try: Why don't the club run a chosen fixture where every season ticket holder / au500 / lottery member is allowed to bring one, two or three other people to the game and then get a local business to put up a prize in a raffle draw for those in attendance. Try it, try anything, just try. Edited January 14, 2020 by BukyOHare 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, itzdrk said: The bit in bold is important, we were so bad for so long and then even when we were good you would get a shitshow around Christmas where people traditionally do break the habit. Yeah, we also have a habit of turning in dire performances when the crowd does turn out. That League One play off final against Stranraer is a good example. 4,500 fans and we were brutal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHonestman1910 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Let's be real, who cares about attendances. If Hamilton and Livingston can stay in the Premiership, then it's pointless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb123! Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: Nice avoidance of the a word there. Ha took me a couple of minutes to think of how not to use that word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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