Gaz Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, IainMorton said: He obviously didn’t deserve to die, but if someone breaks into my home when I’m there and acts in a violent manner towards me, I’m going to do anything to defend myself. If I have to resort to stabbing someone that’s their problem, not mines. You are, of course, entitled to do so. Bear in mind, however, that you do not get to say after the event "I used reasonable and proportionate force to defend myself". Someone else will decide whether the force you used was reasonable and proportionate. And if they decide the force you used went over and above what was reasonable and proportionate, then it very much would be your problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, IainMorton said: He obviously didn’t deserve to die, but if someone breaks into my home when I’m there and acts in a violent manner towards me, I’m going to run like fùck, barricade myself in a room, leave my family to fend for themselves etc etc ^^^My plan in such circumstances. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDuffman Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 'Vincent's alleged accomplice Billy Jeeves, 28, is on the run having dumped their car close to the traveller estate the friends come from near Orpington, Kent ' They're a pair of Pikey's - how many other burglaries & con's have they done. Not saying they deserve to die but no sympathy for them. Traveller estate - fancy name for a caravan site. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gaz said: You are, of course, entitled to do so. Bear in mind, however, that you do not get to say after the event "I used reasonable and proportionate force to defend myself". Someone else will decide whether the force you used was reasonable and proportionate. And if they decide the force you used went over and above what was reasonable and proportionate, then it very much would be your problem. In Scots law the defence of "self defence" has to meet a high test i.e. you had no other option, whether that was to run away or call for help etc. I'm not a lawyer but I believe there is case law on this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, MacDuffman said: 'Vincent's alleged accomplice Billy Jeeves, 28, is on the run having dumped their car close to the traveller estate the friends come from near Orpington, Kent ' They're a pair of Pikey's - how many other burglaries & con's have they done. Not saying they deserve to die but no sympathy for them. Traveller estate - fancy name for a caravan site. I wonder if he ever said "Home Jeeves" when they were escaping after a job. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tamthebam Posted April 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2018 "Shrine to Dead Burglar removed" Nope, it's still there... 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainMorton Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 32 minutes ago, Gaz said: You are, of course, entitled to do so. Bear in mind, however, that you do not get to say after the event "I used reasonable and proportionate force to defend myself". Someone else will decide whether the force you used was reasonable and proportionate. And if they decide the force you used went over and above what was reasonable and proportionate, then it very much would be your problem. 15 minutes ago, tamthebam said: In Scots law the defence of "self defence" has to meet a high test i.e. you had no other option, whether that was to run away or call for help etc. I'm not a lawyer but I believe there is case law on this point. Of course I’m not going to lunge at someone with a carving knife as soon as they burst through the door but if there is no way of stopping the situation or calling for help, then you have to defend yourself. If you don’t want battered to death or stabbed, don’t break into my house. Simple as. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, tamthebam said: In Scots law the defence of "self defence" has to meet a high test i.e. you had no other option, whether that was to run away or call for help etc. I'm not a lawyer but I believe there is case law on this point. I'd say a 78 year old being forced to back into his kitchen by a 37 year old wielding a screwdriver, while his mate went upstairs where his wife was in bed, would meet the test. Edited April 10, 2018 by welshbairn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB1994 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Give burglars footballers wages. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMc99 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, PB1994 said: Give burglars footballers wages. if we can afford to give immigrants homes then we can afford to give burglars homes too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, PB1994 said: Give burglars footballers wages. They'd probably just take them anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: They'd probably just take them anyway. Not if Duncan Ferguson has anything to do with it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Tributes of flowers were left hanging on a bridge over the A19 in Newcastle a few years ago. I assume someone had died in an accident. The flowers are still there. If you really must leave these things, have the decency to remove them before they start to rot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 hours ago, GordonD said: And if his family and friends have money to spare to leave flowers then they can't have been that hard up, can they? Probably burgled them out of another house, thus perpetuating the vicious cycle 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nkomo-A-Gogo Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Reminds me of one that happened in Ireland a few years ago. Two robbers with knives came out of a supermarket and were chased where one of them was stabbed 6+ times by a "have a go hero" Guy got jailed. https://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1122/294686-howep/ -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 a classic: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Wouldn't fk with that pensioner. Disarms a burglar half his age then kills him with his own screwdriver. That's wot won the war that shit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Nkomo-A-Gogo said: Reminds me of one that happened in Ireland a few years ago. Two robbers with knives came out of a supermarket and were chased where one of them was stabbed 6+ times by a "have a go hero" Guy got jailed. https://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1122/294686-howep/ Not really a difficult one that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 hours ago, IainMorton said: Of course I’m not going to lunge at someone with a carving knife as soon as they burst through the door but if there is no way of stopping the situation or calling for help, then you have to defend yourself. If you don’t want battered to death or stabbed, don’t break into my house. Simple as. You'd batter someone to death if they broke in to your house? What if they were harder than you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Peppino Impastato said: Wouldn't fk with that pensioner. Disarms a burglar half his age then kills him with his own screwdriver. That's wot won the war that shit. He's 78 so must've fought in the war when he was five. Truly a tougher generation. 7 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: You'd batter someone to death if they broke in to your house? What if they were harder than you? If you don't try you'll never know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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