JamieThomas Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 After the made up slavers about the boy's cat I'll certainly be sticking with my "Putin = c**t, Tories = lying c***s" narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1 hour ago, dorlomin said: The sudden talent for advanced chemical engineering is coming to the top of several contributors. People who seem oblivious to how differing doses can have differing impacts. We live in an age of wonders. I don't think anyone is trying to argue on an advanced scientific level, It really does just come down to the credibility of the claims, and of those making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Obviously these 'Russian' nerve agents aren't particularly effective. The NHS appear to be able to cure the incurable, and they take nearly a month to kill cats & gerbils - especially if you leave them without water for weeks. If the UK had nerve agents (which we don't, obviously), I'm sure that they would be properly effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 On 06/04/2018 at 18:00, welshbairn said: It's not surprising the FO fucked up with Boris in charge and the twitter boy trying to back up his boss. Porton Down stated they couldn't confirm the source a week before Boris botched the interview. I wouldn't call an obvious fuckup a cover up. Meanwhile the OPCW could have something to compare the samples with. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/06/uk-us-case-file-russian-nerve-agent-shikhany-spy-poisoning http://old.themoscowtimes.com/sitemap/free/2006/7/article/suspect-captured-in-top-bankers-killing/203990.html/ https://sputniknews.com/russia/201804031063167359-russia-uk-toxic-substances-development-speculations/ Bear in mind the Russians are denying they ever produced the stuff. It's not a fk up it's a lie. He literally invented that entire conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The daughter is being discharged today after recovering from the 100% nobody survives nerve agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, doulikefish said: the 100% nobody survives nerve agent From your huge knowledge of the topic? Or did you just pull that from your arse. All chemicals that are potentially harmful to humans are dose dependent. Dosage without direct intravenous injection can be very difficult to administer. In the 1995 Tokyo Subway nerve gas attack about 12 people died but over 1050 were injured. Attacks in Iraq and Syria also show far more survivors than killed such as in Halabja. But then again jet fuel does not melt steel and all that. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 This is a picture from the ICU at Salisbury District Hospital on the day they were admitted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 hours ago, dorlomin said: From your huge knowledge of the topic? Or did you just pull that from your arse. All chemicals that are potentially harmful to humans are dose dependent. Dosage without direct intravenous injection can be very difficult to administer. In the 1995 Tokyo Subway nerve gas attack about 12 people died but over 1050 were injured. Attacks in Iraq and Syria also show far more survivors than killed such as in Halabja. But then again jet fuel does not melt steel and all that. It was widely reported in the newspapers and on tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Apparently chlorine gas evaporates quickly and leaves little trace in the body, so it might be impossible to prove what happened either way. I'd hope the West would need more than a couple of videos and opposition witness statements to go to war without corroborative intelligence. Even Fox is expressing doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Apparently chlorine gas evaporates quickly and leaves little trace in the body, so it might be impossible to prove what happened either way. I'd hope the West would need more than a couple of videos and opposition witness statements to go to war without corroborative intelligence. Even Fox is expressing doubts. Corroborative Intelligence can be provided if required. *cough* Tony Blair *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Apparently chlorine gas evaporates quickly and leaves little trace in the body, so it might be impossible to prove what happened either way. I'd hope the West would need more than a couple of videos and opposition witness statements to go to war without corroborative intelligence. Even Fox is expressing doubts. The West dont need any evidence to go to war. They tried it the last time but ended up not going in because Westminster voted it down then a few months later it turned out that the rebels were responsible. Surprise surprise. Europe wants to cut out Russia when it comes to gas and the likes of Syria and Iran are in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Boris has disgraced himself, again, but I'm not sure how the UK gains from picking a fight with Russia in this supposed grand conspriacy. For those with the time, this (very long) Buzzfeed article from last year looks at 14 suspicious deaths of people living in Britain with links to Russia: https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.rh4xVGxLq#.sd979q78A The implication is that the Russian intelligence services have been doing this for a while, and we've just turned a blind eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 By no means an expert on nerve agents but I read elsewhere that they work by attacking enzymes in the body, destroying them faster than the body can create them. If you can slow the victim's metabolism down and keep them alive long enough, the nerve agent degrades and the body's enzyme production overtakes the destructive effects. In this case the victims were put into induced comas for a week. Not something that could be done on a battlefield or with mass casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said: By no means an expert on nerve agents but I read elsewhere that they work by attacking enzymes in the body, destroying them faster than the body can create them. If you can slow the victim's metabolism down and keep them alive long enough, the nerve agent degrades and the body's enzyme production overtakes the destructive effects. In this case the victims were put into induced comas for a week. Not something that could be done on a battlefield or with mass casualties. Probably handy having Porton Down medical experts nearby too with the right equipment and knowledge to safely treat them quickly. Great fodder for fans of "alternative facts" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 This whole Skrpal saga and now this alleged gas attack in Syria and the US supposedly sending in jets tonight.This isn't going to end well. This won't some tinpot war in a far off country. This keeps snowballing it will affect everyone.Does neoliberal greed have no bounds? These idiots need to get in the sea before somebody decides that nuclear seems a good option.I am very concerned tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 100 years ago people objected to the likes of Chlorine gas - not because they were against war or even against killing lots of people even. Apparently it just wasn't sporting. I wonder if that will get a mention at the UN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Father Ted said: This whole Skrpal saga and now this alleged gas attack in Syria and the US supposedly sending in jets tonight. This isn't going to end well. This won't some tinpot war in a far off country. This keeps snowballing it will affect everyone. Does neoliberal greed have no bounds? These idiots need to get in the sea before somebody decides that nuclear seems a good option. I am very concerned tonight. I'm concerned as well about this madness from multiple sides, but I don't get how this will feed "neoliberal greed". Who gains anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Fullerene said: 100 years ago people objected to the likes of Chlorine gas - not because they were against war or even against killing lots of people even. Apparently it just wasn't sporting. I wonder if that will get a mention at the UN. Churchill thought gas could be a kindly way to subdue the unruly. Quote "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected." 1919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If chemical weapons have been used against women and children, then we would be wise to heed the words of Corbyn - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I was hoping the social media age and the benefits of alternative news sources would counter the traditional practices of manufacturing consent for war, but it seems our atrocious propaganda rags still have their influence. The US will be scrambling to get their bombs away before the OPCW has had a chance to investigate anything. The Russians have warned again at the UN that attacks on bases where their personnel are stationed will result in grave consequences, and have said that the sources of any attacks will be retaliated against. Incredible to think there are actually utter lunatics like John Bolton sitting there advising the president to do it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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