The Master Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 A curious article. It seems to focus on places where anyone but the SNP control the council (or at the very least it's up in the air). In fact, when you look at the difference in language when discussing different councils, the bias is pretty stark. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61577814 For example, it's perfectly fine for Tory and Lib Dem councillors to "decide they would rather work with Labour", but in Dumfries and Galloway it's a "rainbow coalition including the SNP, Labour, Lib Dems and independent councillors" - "rainbow coalition" frequently being used as a pejorative expression in politics. They also incorrectly state that the SNP have been "pipped" in Angus - the SNP have reached an agreement with independent councillors. Even the more subtle things - the Lib Dems are "actually" in coalition with the SNP in Aberdeen. Such incredulity! And the Greens are looking to "get in the door" (with the SNP) in Edinburgh rather than join an administration, or some other less-negative phrasing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I was more than surprised to hear Eilidh Davies on the wireless this morning and in particular her news that Celtic won the Scottish cup final against Glasgow City despite being "down to ten men". Clear anti trans bias. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Slightly broader conversation on John Simpson twitter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Can anyone explain why the BBC abandons all its claims that it must give equal voice to all viewpoints when it comes to the monarchy? EU? We must give equal voice to those who are against as to those who support it! Scottish independence? We must give equal voice to those who are against as to those who support it! The monarchy? Blanket, fawning, supportive coverage is fine - we don’t have to acknowledge that even a significant minority are against it or that the majority is indifferent. Here’s another cutesy anecdote about Her Britannic Majesty from someone who met her once in 1964. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Antlion said: Can anyone explain why the BBC abandons all its claims that it must give equal voice to all viewpoints when it comes to the monarchy? EU? We must give equal voice to those who are against as to those who support it! Scottish independence? We must give equal voice to those who are against as to those who support it! The monarchy? Blanket, fawning, supportive coverage is fine - we don’t have to acknowledge that even a significant minority are against it or that the majority is indifferent. Here’s another cutesy anecdote about Her Britannic Majesty from someone who met her once in 1964. Tool of the British state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Probably the same reason why, if one of us was being interviewed about our employer on the telly, we'd give it the bland shite about it being a good place to work rather than say anything that might see us hauled into the manager's office. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Antlion said: Can anyone explain why the BBC abandons all its claims that it must give equal voice to all viewpoints when it comes to the monarchy? EU? We must give equal voice to those who are against as to those who support it! Scottish independence? We must give equal voice to those who are against as to those who support it! The monarchy? Blanket, fawning, supportive coverage is fine - we don’t have to acknowledge that even a significant minority are against it or that the majority is indifferent. Here’s another cutesy anecdote about Her Britannic Majesty from someone who met her once in 1964. If there was a referendum on abolishing it then I could see your point. But there isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, BFTD said: Probably the same reason why, if one of us was being interviewed about our employer on the telly, we'd give it the bland shite about it being a good place to work rather than say anything that might see us hauled into the manager's office. True - but those who are active in the Republic movement should obviously be more vocal here in calling out this unrepresentative institutional bias. If the Tories are having an event, there’s invariably a follow up with someone from Labour. When there are independence marches, if and when they’re covered, there is invariably time given to UK nationalists to put their views across. Before the UK cost us EU membership, whenever the EU did anything - conferences, council meetings, confirmation of new commission Presidents - invariably we’d hear from Farage (well before David Cameron shat it and called a referendum - in fact, their need to give equal voice to all viewpoints helped lead Cameron into calling one). Even a few years back, around the time of one of the royal weddings, they gave interviews to the Republic leader - not long ones, but enough to at least pretend to a measure of balance. But this is wall-to-wall pro-monarchy coverage, from what I can tell. The need to give fair representation to all viewpoints doesn’t matter anymore - it’s fine to only present monarchical propaganda and to give voice only to monarchists. And they’ll get away with it and go right back to feigning even-handed impartiality on issues they do want to acknowledge as contentious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Antlion said: And they’ll get away with it and go right back to feigning even-handed impartiality on issues they do want to acknowledge as contentious. Yeah, that's about it. They'll do as they're told. Here's the really disturbing thing; if the BBC gave substantial time to views questioning the validity of unquestioning subservience to monarchy, there'd be blanket media coverage elsewhere of the 'un-British' BBC, a substantial portion of the populace would be outraged, and this government would be delighted to play into that. We get the broadcasters that we deserve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, BFTD said: Yeah, that's about it. They'll do as they're told. Here's the really disturbing thing; if the BBC gave substantial time to views questioning the validity of unquestioning subservience to monarchy, there'd be blanket media coverage elsewhere of the 'un-British' BBC, a substantial portion of the populace would be outraged, and this government would be delighted to play into that. We get the broadcasters that we deserve. And sadly not just this government - Starmer and the Lib Dems would be eager to show their own cringing credentials by attacking anyone who dares even question the monarchy. It’s a collective blind spot on the part of the public and an object of cultish devotion on the part of a vocal minority. Obviously a lot of people aren’t currently being represented by the BBC - only those who think correctly on this issue are. The fact that the state broadcaster and all of the main parties don’t just support the monarchy but insist on unquestioning, unthinking, blind devotion to a single, unelected and personally unimpressive family would be funny if it wasn’t so creepy. In all aspects of life we’re encouraged to approach things - institutions, policies, and beliefs - intellectually and skeptically - but not the monarchy. Never this. This is not be questioned ever. Just sit back and accept it as the impartial Auntie Beeb tells you who you must love, who works harder than anyone else, who has given her very life so that we might live, who god has chosen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 TBF, I think they can still kill you for that treason shit. Legally, I mean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BFTD said: TBF, I think they can still kill you for that treason shit. Legally, I mean. I thought killing others for treason is something the royals might have learnt their lesson on… Edited June 4, 2022 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONTROOPER Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Emm ....where was Macca tonight.....or did I just turn on the telly too late? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Why would the BBC give voices to every fringe opinion under the sun? Of course they give airtime to sizeable groups. Right now there isn't any worthwhile sizable group that's opposing the monarchy. A Scottish football forum isn't quite the same as the Brexit movement or any of the others things being used as piss poor examples. 99% of the country is enjoying having time off and if they're not interested in the Royals they're not paying attention to it and enjoying the weather, just because some people are choosing to spend their time online getting teary eyed and hate wanking over something doesn't merit BBC coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duries Air Freshener Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Albus Bulbasaur said: Why would the BBC give voices to every fringe opinion under the sun? Of course they give airtime to sizeable groups. Right now there isn't any worthwhile sizable group that's opposing the monarchy. A Scottish football forum isn't quite the same as the Brexit movement or any of the others things being used as piss poor examples. 99% of the country is enjoying having time off and if they're not interested in the Royals they're not paying attention to it and enjoying the weather, just because some people are choosing to spend their time online getting teary eyed and hate wanking over something doesn't merit BBC coverage. Very true, Albus. As well as that, the context is different. If it was a show debating the value of the monarchy, then the republicans would be given their voice. The idea that we should allow them to interrupt a celebration of the Queen’s 70 year service with their jealous, seething rage is ridiculous. When someone achieves something then it’s a cause for celebration.. not a debate on the rights or wrong of the person in question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Duries Air Freshener said: Very true, Albus. As well as that, the context is different. If it was a show debating the value of the monarchy, then the republicans would be given their voice. The idea that we should allow them to interrupt a celebration of the Queen’s 70 year service with their jealous, seething rage is ridiculous. When someone achieves something then it’s a cause for celebration.. not a debate on the rights or wrong of the person in question. What's exactly expected of the BBC to facilitate this anyway? Everytime they cut back to the studio and they've said their wee positive anecdotes and stories you have to cut to some raging wee dude who gets 30 seconds to say how much this is all a joke and how annoyed he is. Could get some of the guys from here to take turns, might actually be funny in a tragic sort of "man shouts at cloud" way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Clown Job said: Jesus Christ, this is probably the starkest example of people being outraged by something that has happened thousands of times before, but suddenly now think it’s evidence of “bias”. During any live event, non-live footage is mixed in to live interviews or discussions as a way of breaking things up. They never raise the audio of those clips because the main sound is the interview or discussion. It won’t be long before there’s another live event like this where exactly the same thing will happen, but nobody will mention it…and will likely “forget” they ever thought it an issue. The full clip, complete with booing, was featured in the main BBC bulletins yesterday. If you’re wanting to try and change a narrative, something tells me you’d do it in those rather than during a talking heads piece in a broadcast where the vast majority of the audience will have seen the live clip anyway. There’s people who are experts in this sort of thing trying to say that in the Twitter thread but are being shouted down. Which, given the politics of those doing the loudest shouting, is a little ironic. I believe there are times the BBC say and do things to avoid upsetting certain people. But this is very wide of the mark. Edited June 5, 2022 by The Master 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 99% of the country is enjoying having time off What country is that? The one I live in still has millions of people working so you can enjoy your bank holiday. Even the train drivers are putting a shift in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: What country is that? The one I live in still has millions of people working so you can enjoy your bank holiday. Even the train drivers are putting a shift in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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