coprolite Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I can't see any private sector provider replicating In Our Time or The Sky at Night. I can see plenty private providers replicating the right wing news agenda (or left wing if your axis is social rather than economic - ie if you are a fanny). I can see plenty private providers bidding for strictly, eastenders, dr who etc. I can't see private providers replicating the radio output apart from maybe radio 2 and 5. Getting rid of the bbc just gets rid of good stuff and lets others take over pumping out lcd shite. I can see why people take issue with how its funded. I don't see how binning the lot is the best way to address that issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Gordon EF said: Channel 4 are already miles ahead of the BBC in terms of news content. And they don't need a license fee to do it. They got a shed load of Government funding to get where they are though, and apart from C4 news I don't think we've got a lot to show for it unless you're fascinated by embarrassing medical problems. It started going downhill when they dropped the red triangle film slot, and late night drunken talk shows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Refusing to listen to what the right have to say about anything is probably the mildest action possible at this stage. But it everyone who disagrees with you on any meaningful issue 'the right'? I don't know about stuff like that. People aren't that simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: I'll turn that round and say what public services do the BBC provide that are of such value that they require a license fee? I quoted a full list of them that I believe are valuable a couple of pages back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The last straw for me was when Salmond was giving a speech pre referendum. He was asked a question by Nick Robinson. On the 6pm news that night the same Nick Robinson said that Salmond declined to answer, yet social media showed that he clearly did.Partizan state media. Pay them nothing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, MixuFruit said: If their argument on an issue is a right wing one, then... yes? What's hard about this? I don't think there's that many people out there who are completely right or completely left. Certainly, as this thread is showing us, some people who think they are left are certainly right when it comes to media funding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Theres literally like dozens of excellent astronomy channels on youtube, totally free, cover way more things than the sky at night. I'm sure there are. I like The Sky at Night though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The BBC was finished the day Weir's Way stopped 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: The BBC was finished the day Weir's Way stopped I know this is a trap, however that was shown on STV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zen Archer Esq. said: I know this is a trap, however that was shown on STV I take it back. No trap. Miss that show. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Absolutely happy for any decent, non-political services the BBC currently offer to be proper up with pubic money but the TV and particularly the news side should either be hived off and made to stand on it's own two feet without the license fee propping it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Absolutely happy for any decent, non-political services the BBC currently offer to be proper up with pubic money but the TV and particularly the news side should either be hived off and made to stand on it's own two feet without the license fee propping it up. What do you think the outcome of that would be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: What do you think the outcome of that would be? Same as it is now but with adverts. I don't buy this idea that the license fee is holding back the dam of the UK becoming this wild west Fox-style news landscape. Edited January 21, 2021 by Gordon EF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The BBC currently gets about a quarter of its income from commercial business, mainly overseas. That could easily have been raised dramatically if they hadn't been blocked by Governments who were scared of making Murdoch angry and calling it unfair competition. They wanted to set up a global streaming service ages ago that could have brought in billions, they could have monetised their website which was way ahead of the field, but were ordered to slim it down. There's a long list. Allowing it to compete on a global scale would mean it could radically reduce the license fee, maybe offering the core TV and radio channels on Council TV and radio but offering more specialist stuff as a top up service. And they need to find a model where it's still publicly owned but not so easily coerced and influenced by the Government of the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Gordon EF said: Same as it is now but with adverts. I think that's wishful thinking. The deep pockets in media are not on the left. And who the f**k wants another tv channel with adverts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Just now, TheJTS98 said: I think that's wishful thinking. The deep pockets in media are not on the left. And who the f**k wants another tv channel with adverts? Personally I don't care about adverts because I don't watch live TV. I'm not saying the right don't influence media more I'm challenging the idea that the license fee is somehow having some enormous effect on their ability to influence British news. Private news programs and channels already exist here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Personally I don't care about adverts because I don't watch live TV. I'm not saying the right don't influence media more I'm challenging the idea that the license fee is somehow having some enormous effect on their ability to influence British news. Private news programs and channels already exist here. Yeah. But you're suggesting removing the biggest non-private one and replacing it with another one that any old media billionaire could pour money into for more influence. I get that people don't like the BBC's news wing, but can you not see the element of cutting off your nose to spite your face here? The BBC favours the rich establishment, so let's open it up to be picked apart even more completely by the rich establishment. No? Edited January 21, 2021 by TheJTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They got a shed load of Government funding to get where they are though, and apart from C4 news I don't think we've got a lot to show for it unless you're fascinated by embarrassing medical problems. It started going downhill when they dropped the red triangle film slot, and late night drunken talk shows. Not just government funding. BBC had to contribute some of their licence fee income to C4 and S4C or whatever the taffy version is/was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The BBC has effectively become (or probably always has been) this cosy, pro-establishment, middle/upper class, privately educated, economically right-sympathising club. Britain has effectively become a cosy pro-establishment, economically right-sympathising state catering largely to privately educated middle/upper class people. But we must keep the BBC News license payer funded to prevent the right getting their claws into the country! I don't buy it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: Yeah. But you're suggesting removing the biggest non-private one and replacing it with another one that any old media billionaire could pour money into for more influence. I get that people don't like the BBC's news wing, but can you not see the element of cutting off your nose to spite your face here? The BBC favours the rich establishment, so let's open it up to be picked apart even more completely by the rich establishment. No? You could keep it as a public body. Just one that doesn't rely on funding controlled by the government and is therefore under less pressure to conform to whatever the government of the day wants. Part of the damage of the BBC is the bias hiding under this veneer of impartiality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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