NotThePars Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: It's a bit different when you probably get paid 3 times as much as your boss. I just find it weird that folk find it odd that people in the Westminster/media bubble make friends. It's frequently pointed out that it colours the coverage in favour of the establishment. That's something that should be relentlessly focused on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It's frequently pointed out that it colours the coverage in favour of the establishment. That's something that should be relentlessly focused on. The fact that members of the establishment go on holiday together shouldn't be a shock. What should be is that Populist right winger old Etonians and capitalist tycoons aren't seen as the elite. Edited April 9, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, welshbairn said: The fact that members of the establishment go on holiday together shouldn't be a shock. What should be is that Populist right winger old Etonians and capitalist tycoons aren't seen as the elite. Both of these things should be scrutinised and criticised though. Please read Toms Mills book I'm sure you'd enjoy it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 16 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Robbie Gibb, brother of Tory MP Nick Gibb. Ex head of political programming at the BBC, holidays with Andrew Neil. The Bee Gees old line up was much better IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Both of these things should be scrutinised and criticised though. Please read Toms Mills book I'm sure you'd enjoy it. I'll give it a go, but Amazon books "I also might like" aren't encouraging. The fact that every political group thinks the BBC is biased against them must count for something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 35 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'll give it a go, but Amazon books "I also might like" aren't encouraging. The fact that every political group thinks the BBC is biased against them must count for something. I think it's possible to argue that the BBC can pursue a broadly socially liberal agenda while at the same time as being broadly economically conservative and reflecting an establishment consensus. I think Mills argues broadly similar. His chapter on the Thatcher era assaults on the BBC as being particularly relevant to the current problems that the BBC faces. I also find the argument that "if you're in the centre and are pissing both sides off then you're doing something right"a bit trite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Not in response to NotThePars, but should the BBC give equal voice to anti vaxxers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: Not in response to NotThePars, but should the BBC give equal voice to anti vaxxers? There was an article I read where the journalist pointed out that treating a story fairly wasn't about letting both sides just open their mouths and speak, but was more about it being the responsibility of the media to present the facts of both arguments. I think this is the point, anti-vaxxers arguments really tend not to stack up factually - which would be what any good BBC journalist should be trying to get across. I'm afraid I can't remember the article to post a link, it was a while ago now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There was an article I read where the journalist pointed out that treating a story fairly wasn't about letting both sides just open their mouths and speak, but was more about it being the responsibility of the media to present the facts of both arguments. I think this is the point, anti-vaxxers arguments really tend not to stack up factually - which would be what any good BBC journalist should be trying to get across. I'm afraid I can't remember the article to post a link, it was a while ago now. There's a meme going around to the effect that if one side says it's raining and the other says it isn't, you don't just report each viewpoint, you look out the fucking window. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 A classic from the BBC and how they frame debate and set the parameters - in the report about the Weirs who are getting divorced "defended making a donation of 1million pounds" to the indy fund from their lottery win. "Defended". Something the couple believed in and BBC turn it into a bad thing. Obviously just "making a donation" doesn't suit their way of seeing and shaping the story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: A classic from the BBC and how they frame debate and set the parameters - in the report about the Weirs who are getting divorced "defended making a donation of 1million pounds" to the indy fund from their lottery win. "Defended". Something the couple believed in and BBC turn it into a bad thing. Obviously just "making a donation" doesn't suit their way of seeing and shaping the story. Just came on to post that. UK's biggest lottery winners Colin and Chris Weir to divorce https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47878488 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Tbf the link makes clear they were being attacked by a Tory MSP for their donation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Tbf the link makes clear they were being attacked by a Tory MSP for their donation.The headline sets the tone, not everybody reads any further than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Not sure that’s an example of bbc bias. It’s probably the only newsworthy thing that’s happened to them since they won the lottery, and I include their divorce in that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Not sure that’s an example of bbc bias. It’s probably the only newsworthy thing that’s happened to them since they won the lottery, and I include their divorce in that. Do unionist party donors ever have to "defend" their donations? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said: Not sure that’s an example of bbc bias. It’s probably the only newsworthy thing that’s happened to them since they won the lottery, and I include their divorce in that. If the article had said they 'made a donation to a community football club, Partick Thistle and the Yes movement' we wouldn't be discussing it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Not sure that’s an example of bbc bias. It’s probably the only newsworthy thing that’s happened to them since they won the lottery, and I include their divorce in that. Saving the Waverley was the best thing they did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Why are we even dignifying this story by discussing it ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, welshbairn said: Tbf the link makes clear they were being attacked by a Tory MSP for their donation. I think we can be a bit sensitive about this – being generous it could be lazy journalism. But the words on their own raise the implication there was something questionable about their donation. There wasn't. It should have been corrected. It hasn't. Edited April 11, 2019 by Mr Heliums 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) Union Jackie leaves Reporting Scotland - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47891358 Edited April 11, 2019 by Blue-Toon edit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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