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Still think this lad will be nowhere near as good as fletcher was.

Just so happens
47 league goals conceded by Manchester United. Their worst record in the Premier League era, with four and a bit games still to go.
If Man utd were to bring in class players I wouldn't imagine he would be getting a game.

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3 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:

Still think this lad will be nowhere near as good as fletcher was.

Just so happens
47 league goals conceded by Manchester United. Their worst record in the Premier League era, with four and a bit games still to go.
If Man utd were to bring in class players I wouldn't imagine he would be getting a game.

He's nowhere in the same ball park as Fletcher.  But, lest we forget, it took quite some time for Man Utd fans to come around to Fletcher's importance.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if McTominay had a similar (if lesser) experience and became a fairly regular player at Old Trafford.

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He's nowhere in the same ball park as Fletcher.  But, lest we forget, it took quite some time for Man Utd fans to come around to Fletcher's importance.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if McTominay had a similar (if lesser) experience and became a fairly regular player at Old Trafford.
I am just not seeing what he is adding to this team. He runs about.... that's all I got so far. Maybe time will tell with him but yeah he shouldn't be near that starting line up or all be it bench.
I suppose records are their to be broken

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He's nowhere in the same ball park as Fletcher.  But, lest we forget, it took quite some time for Man Utd fans to come around to Fletcher's importance.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if McTominay had a similar (if lesser) experience and became a fairly regular player at Old Trafford.

Personally I haven't seen enough of him to judge him Vs Fletcher. However, I'm pretty certain Fletcher at 22 wasn't being described as 'majestic' or 'the best player on the park' after CL later-stage games Vs the likes of Barca and psg.

 

 

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Just now, Gordopolis said:

Personally I haven't seen enough of him to judge him Vs Fletcher. However, I'm pretty certain Fletcher wasn't being described as 'majestic' or 'the best player on the park' after CL later-stage games Vs the likes of Barca and psg.

I seem to recall him being the best player on the pitch against AC Milan, despite playing wide on the left.  I'd also hazard a guess Ferguson was saying things like that long before any of the fans were.  

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4 minutes ago, Gordopolis said:

Personally I haven't seen enough of him to judge him Vs Fletcher. However, I'm pretty certain Fletcher at 22 wasn't being described as 'majestic' or 'the best player on the park' after CL later-stage games Vs the likes of Barca and psg.

 

 

He wasn't the best player on the park,he was the best man utd player.

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6 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said:

I am just not seeing what he is adding to this team. He runs about.... that's all I got so far. Maybe time will tell with him but yeah he shouldn't be near that starting line up or all be it bench.
I suppose records are their to be broken

You mean for Scotland?  

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Ferguson trusted Fletcher in huge games, definitely (and rightly so). We're seeing the same with Solskjaer and McTominay now. I just don't see a massive obvious gulf between them at McTominay's current age. If anything McTominay appears to be more composed and game-aware than Fletcher in his early days but that might be the haze of memory. I agree he could do a Tom Cleverly or a Darron Gibson and end up at a West Ham or the like, but the signs are he has the mentality and skills to be more than that.

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23 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

I seem to recall him being the best player on the pitch against AC Milan, despite playing wide on the left.  I'd also hazard a guess Ferguson was saying things like that long before any of the fans were.  

The arsenal semi-final too when his picked up a booking and missed the final.

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The arsenal semi-final too when his picked up a booking and missed the final.

Yup. That’s another one.

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The arsenal semi-final too when his picked up a booking and missed the final.

He was superb in that game. He was 25 by that point too so as I say it's all too easy and unfair to compare Fletcher's 10 years at Man U, including his peak, and conclude he's better than McT, who has just a year or so of breaking through under his belt.

We just don't know how far McT is going to go, but so far he is showing fletcher-esque hallmarks

...which is wonderful.

 

 

 

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What is he showing that is same as fletcher? Maybe I'm watching a different player but he hasn't did an awful lot ? Apart from he is getting trusted by his manager

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1 hour ago, Gordopolis said:

Ferguson trusted Fletcher in huge games, definitely (and rightly so). We're seeing the same with Solskjaer and McTominay now. I just don't see a massive obvious gulf between them at McTominay's current age. If anything McTominay appears to be more composed and game-aware than Fletcher in his early days but that might be the haze of memory. I agree he could do a Tom Cleverly or a Darron Gibson and end up at a West Ham or the like, but the signs are he has the mentality and skills to be more than that.

Fletcher played on right side off midfield in his early days though

So it's unfair to compare them as McTomilay has played in defence and central midfield 

Totally different animals

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Fletcher played on right side off midfield in his early days though
So it's unfair to compare them as McTomilay has played in defence and central midfield 
Totally different animals
True enough. It's not a carbon copy comparison, but McTominay is starting out in the position where Fletcher ended up - and is doing really well there in his full breakthrough season. His performances vs PSG, Barca show the boy's doing really well. Not established yet, but looks classy and composed enough to be capable of getting there.

A reminder of the largely positive PSG performance:
http://www.sportbible.com/football/stats-news-three-months-ago-mctominay-was-playing-against-psg-in-the-under-23s-20190307

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He doesn't yet have the vision and long range passing that Fletcher developed. Fletcher had a great team around him which makes a difference too. 

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He doesn't yet have the vision and long range passing that Fletcher developed. Fletcher had a great team around him which makes a difference too. 
Can't disagree. 'yet' is the pertinent word and indeed this man U is a far way off Fletcher's era man U

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He's shown enough top performances (Liverpool at home last season, PSG away and Barca home this season) to be in our plans over the next few years.

He's not looking particularly consistent yet but he is playing for a team which has had constant negativaty surrounding it for years, plus Mourinho fucking about with him at CB.

I think he's better further back in midfield using his tackling, physicality and short passing to start moves but when he's in a midfield 3, he's going to be further forward a lot of the time. McLeish seemed to want him further forward too which was irritating.

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He's an absolute nailed on starter for Scotland every time.  We don't have any other DM's right now, when we pick a squad he's the only one so has to play against anyone who aren't shite.

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1 hour ago, Kuro said:

He's an absolute nailed on starter for Scotland every time.  We don't have any other DM's right now, when we pick a squad he's the only one so has to play against anyone who aren't shite.

I think we should be lining up with a defensive midfielder like McTominay regardless of who we're playing. Even in the San Marino game our midfield was wide open and had no structure because we just had three midfielders wanting to go forward every time they had the ball.

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26 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

I think we should be lining up with a defensive midfielder like McTominay regardless of who we're playing. Even in the San Marino game our midfield was wide open and had no structure because we just had three midfielders wanting to go forward every time they had the ball.

I'd agree with that. 

4-3-2-1 "Xmas tree formation" with McTominay holding and the other 4 midfielders having freedom to rotate position and the full backs providing width going forward.

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