San Starko Rover Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Obviously you need a licence to gain promotion to the LL/HL Anyone know which clubs Junior/Amateur/Senior outside the SPFL/HL/LL have a licence or are close to gaining one? Also any Junior clubs that if they joined the pyramid would gain one easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Fan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 7 hours ago, San Starko Rover said: Obviously you need a licence to gain promotion to the LL/HL Anyone know which clubs Junior/Amateur/Senior outside the SPFL/HL/LL have a licence or are close to gaining one? Also any Junior clubs that if they joined the pyramid would gain one easily? Well firstly how many teams are licensed, the total of all the teams that can enter the Scottish Cup plus the Scottish Amateur Cup Winners, the Junior North, East and West Superleague Champions and the Scottish Junior Cup Winners, though they can overlap; So the total of 5 extra non licensed impostors max each year (to the Scottish Cup), though the Junior Cup winner can also win one of the leagues so that would reduce the numbers (Glenafton, West Champs and Scottish Junior Cup Winners 2017, so only 3 instead of the 4) and also a few Junior teams are licensed already (3, Linlithgow, Girvan, Banks O'Dee). Though Banks O'Dee regularly win the Northern Superleague, same as Linlithgow in the East. No more Junior or Amateur can gain a license unless they move to the pyramid, that being Highland league in the North and the East of Scotland and the Scotland of Scotland in the South. So... to answer your question Anyone know which clubs Junior/Amateur/Senior outside the SPFL/HL/LL have a licence or are close to gaining one? Linlithgow, Girvan, Banks O'Dee / Glasgow University, Golspie Sutherland / Several in the EoS & SoS see the Preliminary Rounds of the Scottish Cup. (They all have licences) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_Scottish_Cup#Preliminary_rounds There is chat that Lothian Hutchinson Vale Thistle aren't too far away in the East of Scotland. Beyond that only teams in the South of Scotland and East of Scotland that are unlicensed are eligible to gain a license so a short and select list. Possible teams in the NCL ( Northern Caledonian League) also, though I'm not up to speed on that. Also any Junior clubs that if they joined the pyramid would gain one easily? Well that would mean floodlights to help things along so take your pick, Cumnock, Petershill, Benburb. Dalkeith are planning on moving from Junior to East of Scotland ( one below Lowland League so I'd guess going to push to get a license). For example Kelty (unlicensed as they are a Junior Club and haven't held a license at any time before) won the East Superleague last year so then gaining access to the Scottish Cup Preliminary Round. They then decided to move to the East of Scotland a Senior Tier 6 league one below Tier 5 Lowland league. They have since gained a licence. If they gain promotion this year they will enter the Scottish Cup in the First round like most of other Lowland League teams otherwise they'll enter the Scottish Cup as a licensed team in the Preliminary Rounds like any other licensed Club outside the top 5 tiers of Scottish football or even as the non promoted winners of the East of Scotland, licensed or not (As they are licensed, Kelty could finish 1st, 2nd or any position in the East of Scotland not get promoted and still qualify for the Scottish Cup, as they are licensed. Kept up with that? Good. See these websites/ links ; http://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_football_league_system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 89 Clubs are currently licenced, 13 of those exist outwith the SPFL/HFL/LFL. Banks O'Dee, Girvan, Glasgow University, Golspie Sutherland and Linlithgow Rose are the 5 outwith the pyramid. Auchinleck Talbot are the only known club outwith the pyramid that definitely tick all the boxes for a licence, they just don't want to sign up for it as it currently stands. Lothian Hutchison Vale Thistle, Dalkeith Thistle & Bonnyton Thistle are the likely candidates to get a licence that are signed up for the EoSFL or SoSFL next year. Clydebank are usually touted as working on one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Unknown Fan said: Well firstly how many teams are licensed, the total of all the teams that can enter the Scottish Cup plus the Scottish Amateur Cup Winners, the Junior North, East and West Superleague Champions and the Scottish Junior Cup Winners, though they can overlap; So the total of 5 extra non licensed impostors max each year (to the Scottish Cup), though the Junior Cup winner can also win one of the leagues so that would reduce the numbers (Glenafton, West Champs and Scottish Junior Cup Winners 2017, so only 3 instead of the 4) and also a few Junior teams are licensed already (3, Linlithgow, Girvan, Banks O'Dee). Though Banks O'Dee regularly win the Northern Superleague, same as Linlithgow in the East. No more Junior or Amateur can gain a license unless they move to the pyramid, that being Highland league in the North and the East of Scotland and the Scotland of Scotland in the South. So... to answer your question Anyone know which clubs Junior/Amateur/Senior outside the SPFL/HL/LL have a licence or are close to gaining one? Linlithgow, Girvan, Banks O'Dee / Glasgow University, Golspie Sutherland / Several in the EoS & SoS see the Preliminary Rounds of the Scottish Cup. (They all have licences) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_Scottish_Cup#Preliminary_rounds There is chat that Lothian Hutchinson Vale Thistle aren't too far away in the East of Scotland. Beyond that only teams in the South of Scotland and East of Scotland that are unlicensed are eligible to gain a license so a short and select list. Possible teams in the NCL ( Northern Caledonian League) also, though I'm not up to speed on that. Also any Junior clubs that if they joined the pyramid would gain one easily? Well that would mean floodlights to help things along so take your pick, Cumnock, Petershill, Benburb. Dalkeith are planning on moving from Junior to East of Scotland ( one below Lowland League so I'd guess going to push to get a license). For example Kelty (unlicensed as they are a Junior Club and haven't held a license at any time before) won the East Superleague last year so then gaining access to the Scottish Cup Preliminary Round. They then decided to move to the East of Scotland a Senior Tier 6 league one below Tier 5 Lowland league. They have since gained a licence. If they gain promotion this year they will enter the Scottish Cup in the First round like most of other Lowland League teams otherwise they'll enter the Scottish Cup as a licensed team in the Preliminary Rounds like any other licensed Club outside the top 5 tiers of Scottish football or even as the non promoted winners of the East of Scotland, licensed or not (As they are licensed, Kelty could finish 1st, 2nd or any position in the East of Scotland not get promoted and still qualify for the Scottish Cup, as they are licensed. Kept up with that? Good. See these websites/ links ; http://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_football_league_system I don't think floodlights, tho desirable, are part of club licensing criteria at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, info said: I don't think floodlights, tho desirable, are part of club licensing criteria at the moment. For entry level they aren't required, but if you do have them they have to be up to a certain standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 Thanks for the info guys. The one thing I envy about the English leagues is their pyramid. Love to see us have a similar setup with every Saturday team involved at the appropriate level. We all love the same game, crazy we have artificial divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Thanks for the info guys. The one thing I envy about the English leagues is their pyramid. Love to see us have a similar setup with every Saturday team involved at the appropriate level. We all love the same game, crazy we have artificial divisions. I'm the same, but people forget it took a long time to get things in place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_English_non-League_football_system What we have now won't exist in 5 years. SoSFL has 15 (16 with Wigtown), EoSFL should be at least 14 next year. Highland League at capacity. Couple of clubs gaining a licence in a particular region forces change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 11 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: 89 Clubs are currently licenced, 13 of those exist outwith the SPFL/HFL/LFL. Banks O'Dee, Girvan, Glasgow University, Golspie Sutherland and Linlithgow Rose are the 5 outwith the pyramid. Auchinleck Talbot are the only known club outwith the pyramid that definitely tick all the boxes for a licence, they just don't want to sign up for it as it currently stands. Unless you know that Talbot have had an inspection I don’t see how you can say they tick all the boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Mantis said: Unless you know that Talbot have had an inspection I don’t see how you can say they tick all the boxes. Made the assumption since most Talbot fans complain that having to join the SoSFL is the only the reason they don't have a licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: Made the assumption since most Talbot fans complain that having to join the SoSFL is the only the reason they don't have a licence. Yeah but having seen the hoops Whitehill had to jump through I get the impression Talbot, or at least Isa, are being a bit presumptuous. They’ve got a good ground but there’s more to it than just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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